Could you please show DualHorizontal Hinge on a picture. I really have
difficulty trying to imagine this hinge.
In Dual Horizontal Hinging, the Left Arm is the second
("dual") hinge. It is "attached" to the primary
Horizontal Hinge (that controls the Clubface alignment) and serves as
an Angled Hinge that lowers the Club vertically onto the Inclined Plane (that
controls the Clubshaft alignment).
The Golfer using Horizontal Hinge Action (a Closing Only Motion of the
Clubface) is almost always also attempting to maintain the Clubshaft on an
Inclined Plane. Therefore, for all practical purposes, the two terms -- Horizontal
and Dual Horizontal -- are interchangeable.
The only exception would be with Putting and Chipping, where at the Player's
option, Horizontal Hinging can be produced while maintaining the
Clubhead directly on the Target Line, i.e., in a Vertical Plane of Motion.
Because such a procedure eliminates the Inclined Plane, there is no need for
a second Hinge to control an Angled Plane of Motion. Hence, Horizontal (Only)
Hinging is the designated Variation, not Dual Horizontal Hinging.
Problems with substituting Swivel for Hinging (over-Roll) BM#194
Originally Posted by rwh
Originally Posted by matt
A couple of points to add to rwh:
For Horizontal Hinging, the clubhead's leading edge will be pointing along
the plane line. This doesn't mean that it's running parallel to the plane
line.
For Angled Hinging, the clubhead's leading edge will be pointing across the
plane line - about at 45 degrees like he stated.
For Vertical Hinging, the leading edge is perpendicular to the plane line and
the face had laid back. This means the face is now not only perpendicular to
the plane line but also facing the sky much more than with a Horizontal
Hinge.
Good points, Matt.
As Matt has stated with regards to Horizontal Hinging, the Toe of the Club
will point along the Plane Line at the end of the Follow-Through (the
Both Arms Straight position). If the Leading Edge of the Clubface is running
parallel to the Plane Line, then the Left Wrist has Swiveled prematurely, and
this puts the Swingle of the Flail out of line with its Handle just as much
as any other form of Throwaway (2-G).
Bye Bye Left Shoulder . . . Hello Flat Left Wrist BM#196
Originally Posted by Ringer
Yoda - These hinge's all describe a movement of the whole arm. Is there
any hinge described as just from the elbows to the hands without
participation of the shoulder joints?
Steve,
Once you understand the theoretical concept, it's "Hasta la vista,
baby!" to the Left Shoulder. To control the Clubface, you simply hold
your Flat Left Wrist Vertical to the desired Plane of Motion through Impact.
And you do that by Feeling Roll, No Roll or Reverse Roll.
Swivel = Independent rotation of the Wrist and Forearm BM#201
Originally Posted by Ringer
Sorry Yoda.. but I am not sure if that answers my question or not. Are
you saying the alignment is merely the result of either?
From what I know... and looking at 4-O... there appears to be only reference
to these movements based on hand motion only. This does not account for arm
participation. Yet quite clearly 4-C is only possible with a rotation of
either the forearm or the whole arm.
To me I would think a distiction between forearm rotation and entire arm
rotation would be a rather important subject to discuss when we look toward
what parts of the body are being effected by each stroke pattern.
As I've stated repeatedly in numerous posts, there is no true Rotation (of
the Left Wrist, Arm or anything else) in the Hinge Action. The Flat Left
Wrist -- and you can throw in the rest of the Arm if you want to -- remains
Vertical to the selected Plane of Motion. Only in the Swivel is there
a true, independent Rotation of the Wrist and Forearm.
When in your stance with an angled spine, is the pin for horizontal hinging
parallel to your spine - so the horizontal hinging is relative to the
inclination of the body - or, is the pin perpendicular to the ground or
horizon?
I have been working with the frame of reference being my posture inclination
so the horizontal hinging motion is parallel to an inclined plane.
Help me understand this.
The pin is perpendicular to the horizontal plane, e.g., the Ground. The Hinge
Action concept is totally independent of Spine Angle.
No Relationship between Hinging and the spine BM#205
Originally Posted by galanga
I find the pin orientation confusing - I assumed it was relative to your
frame of reference. The photo in TGM shows the theoretical pin in the left
shoulder parallel to the model's spine as she is standing vertically. It
seemed reasonable that the pin would remain parallel to the model's spine when
she assumed her stance and tilted forward at the hips. However, if the pin is
to remain perpendicular to the ground even when the address posture is taken,
the hinge pin shown in the picture would no longer be parallel to the spine
and would rotate to an oblique angle to the spine, in order to remain
perpendicular to the ground, as the model assumed her posture (picture not in
TGM). I can't get my mind around that.
Tough to imagine swinging around a pin vertical to the ground at a ball at
your feet and a hinge at your shoulder.
Sorry, just tough to get the image.
Again, the perpendicular positioning of the Hinge Pin to one of the three
Basic Planes of Motion is completely independent of any spine angle or body
posture. If, as you suggest, the model bends over more, the Pin doesn't
'bend' with her. It remains perpendicular to the horizontal plane. If it
helps, you might want to pretend like she had an operation and had her old
posture Hinge Pin removed and reinserted into the new.
When is vertical hinging being used? Putting (Pelz/PILS), chipping, cuts?
Due to its Power limitations, Vertical Hinging is best used only in the Short
Shots.
Homer Kelley was no fan of Vertical Hinging. He thought it was important to
learn in order to be able to differentiate the three Hinge Actions, but on
the Golf Course, he strongly preferred Angled Hinging. The reason was that,
on the steep Plane of the shorter Shots, Angled Hinging approaches the
Layback Only characteristic of Vertical Hinging. However, it does so without
the deliberate mechanical manipulation -- the 'Reverse Roll' Feel -- that is
always required for Vertical Hinging.
Why would horizontal hinging not be accurate or efficient with putting?
Isnt rythm really what counts? Hands to face. Geometrical equivalent?
Thanks.
-Patrick
Because the constant opening and closing of the clubface would make ball location extremely critical. If it not correct then the putt would either be pushed or pulled by the open or closed clubface.
Each of the Three Hinge Actions, properly executed, are equally accurate. But herein lies the rub: Most Players are unable to apply Horizontal Hinge Action as consistently as either Angled or Vertical.
However, Bobby Locke, perhaps the greatest putter who ever lived, had absolutely no problem with it!
Why would horizontal hinging not be accurate or efficient with putting?
Isnt rythm really what counts? Hands to face. Geometrical equivalent?
Thanks.
-Patrick
Because the constant opening and closing of the clubface would make ball location extremely critical. If it not correct then the putt would either be pushed or pulled by the open or closed clubface.
Each of the Three Hinge Actions, properly executed, are equally accurate. But herein lies the rub: Most Players are unable to apply Horizontal Hinge Action as consistently as either Angled or Vertical.
However, Bobby Locke, perhaps the greatest putter who ever lived, had absolutely no problem with it!
Hinge Motion refers to the posssible Clubface Motions through Impact -- Close and Layback (or their simultaneous combination).
Hinge Action refers to the Flat Left Wrist producing that Motion by remaining Vertical to one of the three Basic Planes, i.e., Horizontal, Vertical or Angled.
Indeed, Clubface Hinge Motion duplicates Left Wrist Hinge Action. And vice versa.
But always...
Action is cause.
Motion is result.
This distinction is also important when considering the differing Rhythm of the three Hinge Actions, i.e., the In-Line motion of the #3 Accumulator (Left Arm and Club) and the resultant Clubhead Travel distance to the end of the Both-Arms-Straight Follow-Through.
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