Lynn-> Hand-Controlled Pivot Question

First off, I definately agree with HandCP now...as well with cranking my RIGHT shoulder back in the backswing- I have been working on these lately and they feel great...awesome coil- feels very good.

Regarding RFP...It feels good to me mostly (especially with helping my turn) but I'm unsure about it when I try to hit this shot (high shot):

For this shot I play the ball more forward and put my hands more even with ball than in my normal setup...I also try to not bend my right wrist STRAIGHT back (as I normally do), but more angled (I guess I cock it a bit more- looks more like Els at the top- slight cup rather than flat). I horizontal hinge with this shot, as usual BTW. Everything else is pretty much normal (same grip, etc.). I like to do this because I can hit it higher and I won't likely hook it.

Any ideas as to what I can check or change to allow me to take it away like this? I'm thinking setup or takeaway method would have an effect.

...What do you think of taking it back with both forearms rather than just the right one? Does this really change anything...or disrupt anything or is it only compatible with certain things or w/e?

Hmmm...I think I just need to get used to the feeling of cocking my right wrist a bit more, rather than bending it straight back.

Need to practice tonight.

The right wrist should NEVER cock in a vertical motion. The horizontal bending motion creates a true 90 degree strut into the flat left vertical motion of the left wrist. Presto, the amazing Flying Wedges.

I don't like that for playing HIGH 3/4/5 irons...

I usually don't cock my right wrist but I think I'll make an exception for this shot. I't not really that durastic man...it's not like a Freddie Couples double-cock or anything crazy...subtle bend in the left wrist. i.e. it's not a straight VERTICAL cocking of the right wrist...it's almost like a bend straight back/cock combo. Somewhere in between.

I just find it easier to sweep it a bit more (still hit down slightly tho). The ball gets up in the air this way...not to mention I won't hook it. The worst I get is a draw mostly.

I don't see why it's such a bad thing to do that.

I'm still experimenting tho and will post back if I find anything new.

---Lynn, if you still wanna comment on this I'd appreciate your thoughts.

You can do most anything...as long as you compensate for it if necessary. If you cock your right wrist a bit going back, it'll need to get back to level by impact, no? If you're hitting good shots with a slightly cocked right wrist, then you're probably compensating just fine.

Don't change it if it's working, but consider what you are doing in your other pattern that doesn't allow you to hit the shots you want with the long irons.

My left wrist is flat and my right wrist is bent with my 3/4/5 irons and you'd be surprised how high they go.

They may start off a little lower then rise up but i hit them plenty high with plenty of spin.

If you swing on the correct plane and position the ball correctly you will end up not delofting the face "too much" and you'll hit the ball just fine.

However thats to say you have enough swing speed to create enough ball speed to make those 3/4 irons go high. 5 shouldn't be an issue but the 3/4 could be.

I actually videoed my swing and found that I was taking the club back a little too much to the outside and at halfway through my backswing, the shaft was not at 45 degrees but was much much closer to vertical. No good at all.

That alone really helped me with those steep, low pulls.

Having corrected that, my right elbow seems to be cocking properly again (it's now fanning more and going around my body more, as it should for a swinger). The other takeaway I'm working on (more open clubface) now feels much more natural...everything seems to be back on track for now. And yes, my 3/4 irons are now going higher when I hinge 'properly' (right wrist straight back).

I still would like to take out the left tendency if possible. More experimenting tomorrow.

Thanks for your suggestions thus far YALL!

To REALLY keep the left side out of play all you have to is open your plane line, aim the clubFACE at the target and swing along your new plane line.

You should get some nice soft fades depending on how open you go.

Ya that's exactly what I do Jim.

That's how I naturally stand- everything a little open. Feels strange to do anything else.

Birdie Man, After all these months, how is the progress with your cock right wrist?

Question in relation to your question.

I find that if I set my right wrist late, I find it hard to maintain the balance and sometime I will hit fat. I think the right wrist bend motion is pretty much active and work along with the lag. (Swinger)

During the upswing, would we be feeling the pressure point 1 on the upswing? More specificly when? (swinger)