10-18-A Standard Wrist Action & 10-18-C Single Wrist Action

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Originally posted by ej20
The best way that i have found to execute the flying wedges is to use Brian Manzella's Twistaway on the backstroke and holding that twist on the downstroke.

Merely flattening the left wrist and bending back the right doesn't do it for me. It feels too mechanical and i just do not have a "sense" of the clubhead.



Maintaining the Flying Wedge Assembly alignments throughout the Stroke is mandatory. However, the procedure used to accomplish this goal is optional.

The second procedure you have described -- Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-2) -- is typically the Hitter's choice. It is indeed quite structured, and it is not surprising that you Feel it as more "mechanical." Here, the Pivot brings the Left Wrist into its On Plane Condition at The Top. Hence, though the Left Wrist gradually Turns to the Top, there is no true Rotation (Swivel) of the Left Wrist on the Backstroke.

Similarly, this procedure has no true Rotation (Swivel) on the Downstroke. The Left Wrist simply reverses its Backstroke Motion and gradually Rolls into Impact. In other words, the Left Wrist Turns and Rolls (due to the Turning of the Body and the orbiting of the Arm) but it is not deliberately Turned and Rolled (by the player). During the Release Interval, this Action is Powered by the Thrust of the Hitter's Active Right Elbow. At all times during the Stroke, the right-angled relationship of the Left Arm and Right Forearm Flying Wedges are maintained.

In contrast, your preferred procedure is the Swinger's Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) with its deliberate Start Up and Release Swivels -- True Rotation -- and, also, its Sequenced Release (4-D-0) of the Left Wrist (Uncock) and Left Hand (Roll). As the Flat Left Wrist Turns and Rolls On Plane, the Bent Right Wrist and Right Forearm likewise Turn and Roll, thereby maintaining the proper 90 degree support of the Left Arm Flying Wedge. Centrifugal Force does almost all the work, and the whole thing requires a lot less effort and concentration than Hitting. As Homer said, "You can practically sleep and swing."

No wonder you like it better!

Originally Posted by lagster

... the Right Forearm Pickup should be accompanied by a turn of the left wrist. There is also a slight FANNING motion of the right forearm as it is moving up THE TURNED SHOULDER PLANE.

Lagster is correct here, and he makes a huge point.


With Swinging, the Left Wrist Turn-On-Plane can be almost immediate
(Standard Action per 10-18-A). With Hitting, it is the product of the
Body Turn and the Arm Swing and is more gradual (Single Action per
10-18-C-20). In both cases, the Left Wrist reaches the Top in an identical
alignment, i.e., Turned On Plane. As Lagster also points out, the Right
Forearm Fans as necessary in both Variations, enabling the Right Wrist Turn
(On Plane) to complement the Left Wrist Turn (On Plane). Thus, the Flying
Wedges Assembly (6-B-3-0-1) is maintained and with it, the 90 degree
relationship of its individual components.

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

For Single Wrist Action, the left wrist cocks only. With Standard Wrist Action, the left wrist cocks AND turns.

In Standard Wrist Action, the Left Wrist is physically Turned,
i.e., Rotated, by the player, ideally during Start Up. In Single Wrist
Action, the Left Wrist gradually Turns (via the natural Body and Arm
Rotation), but it is not Turned by the player.

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

It's not possible for the left wrist to turn and roll and not the right, unless you do something 'funny' with the right hand grip.

In an ideal world, MJ is right. Unfortunately, one man's 'funny' is another
man's 'habit.' And misaligned 'habit' executing its ignorance sabotages
performance.


Many otherwise correct Top positions are ruined by insufficient Right Wrist
Turn. Often, this condition can be traced to a perverted 'Position Golf'
attempt to maintain the Elbows 'close together' -- by actively pulling the
Right Elbow 'in' toward the Left -- throughout the Stroke. The cure is to
establish and maintain the correct Left Arm and Right Forearm (and Elbow)
Flying Wedge Alignments (6-B-3-0-1 and 12-3-0 #23).

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

Yoda, The left wrist "Turn" is a clockwise rotation of the left forearm from the elbow down and changes the orientation of the hand and forearm to the upper arm. This doesn't happen in Single Wrist Action unless actively and intentionally done by the player, and at that time becomes Standard Wrist Action. [Bold by Yoda.]

We are in complete agreement. The key word is Rotation. With Standard
Wrist Action, the player actively Turns -- Rotates -- the Left Wrist On Plane
during Start Up. With Single Wrist Action, the Left Wrist gradually Turns
(with the Turning Body and Orbiting Arm) throughout the Backstroke and
reaches the Top in its Fully Turned (On Plane) condition. At no time is there
an independent Wrist Rotation by the player.

Originally Posted by ej20

The best way that i have found to execute the flying wedges is to use Brian's Twistaway on the backstroke and holding that twist on the downstroke. Merely flattening the left wrist and bending back the right doesn't do it for me.It feels too mechanical and i just do not have a "sense" of the clubhead.

Maintaining the Flying Wedge Assembly alignments throughout the Stroke is
mandatory. However, the procedure used to accomplish this goal is optional.

The second procedure you have described -- Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-2)
-- is typically the Hitter's choice. It is indeed quite structured,
and it is not surprising that you Feel it as more "mechanical."
Here, the Pivot brings the Left Wrist into its On Plane Condition at The Top.
Hence, though the Left Wrist gradually Turns to the Top, there is no true
Rotation (Swivel) of the Left Wrist on the Backstroke.

Similarly, this procedure has no true Rotation (Swivel) on the Downstroke.
The Left Wrist simply reverses its Backstroke Motion and gradually Rolls
into Impact. In other words, the Left Wrist Turns and Rolls (due to the
Turning of the Body and the orbiting of the Arm) but it is not deliberately
Turned and Rolled (by the player). During the Release Interval, this Action
is Powered by the Thrust of the Hitter's Active Right Elbow. At all times
during the Stroke, the right-angled relationship of the Left Arm and Right
Forearm Flying Wedges are maintained.

In contrast, your preferred procedure is the Swinger's Standard
Wrist Action (10-18-A) with its deliberate Start Up and Release Swivels
-- True Rotation -- and, also, its Sequenced Release (4-D-0) of the
Left Wrist (Uncock) and Left Hand (Roll). As the Flat Left Wrist Turns and
Rolls On Plane, the Bent Right Wrist and Right Forearm likewise Turn and
Roll, thereby maintaining the proper 90 degree support of the Left Arm Flying
Wedge. Centrifugal Force does almost all the work, and the whole thing
requires a lot less effort and concentration than Hitting. As Homer said,
"You can practically sleep and swing."

No wonder you like it better

Originally Posted by ukhacker

When using standard wrist action, the left wrist turns and cocks. At what point in the backswing does the left wrist turn and is this a conscious act?

The Backstroke Turn Swivel is done in the Start Up. It is mirrored in
Release by the Downstroke Roll Swivel. So, you have a Start Up Swivel
and a Release Swivel. Finally, there is a Finish Swivel which
occurs at the end of the Follow-Through and completes the Stroke.


If these Swivels are already a subconscious part of your Stroke Pattern, then
note it and move on. If not, integrate them sequentially per 1-J and 3-B.

Originally Posted by TYORKE1

Several months ago I had a post regarding how much should the left arm rotate on the backswing. A great discussion arose of who nows more and yet I think the question was forgotten. I have always had a very upright backswing and am trying to flatten it or get on plane. My thoughts are to rotate the left arm more on the backswing , this seems like a reasonable fix but how do you know without video tapping , if it is the right amount or to much. TIM

Tim,

Focus on the alignments of the Left Hand -- specifically the Flat Left Wrist
-- not on the Left Arm. Then, as a Swinger, use Standard Wrist Action
(10-18-A) to immediately Turn the Left Hand 'Palm Down to the Plane' during
Start-Up and maintain that alignment to The Top.

Alternatively, particularly for Hitters, let your Pivot and Arm Swing gradually
bring your Left Hand to that identical 'Palm Down to the Plane' alignment
at The Top. This is using Hinge Action (7-10) -- either Horizontal (Swingers
10-18-C-1) or Angled (Hitters 10-18-C-2) -- as a substitute for Wrist Action.


An important point: In Standard Wrist Action, the Hand is independently
Turned (Swiveled via the Left Forearm). Using the Hinge Action
Variation, the Hand Turns, but it is not Turned (Swiveled).