I have read about many different keys, actions, or movements to start the backswing from several pros. I looked in the Yellow Book, hoping to find
something on it, but might have overlooked it. Did Mr. Kelley ever discuss
or write anything about what starts the backswing? Thank You.
The start of the backstroke is the Start Up, section 4 of the 12 sections in TGM, so there are 3 sections before we get to the Start Up. Being a swinger or a hitter will also have effect on how this is done. I hope somebody else also will shede some more light on this...
Homer recommended the Right Forearm Takeaway instead of a shoulder turn takeaway, which he called "disruptive". RFT ia a fanning of the right forearm up and in, combined with a clearing of the right hip.
Question: There is also talk about a lagging takeaway (for swingers). Is that different than RFT or is it possible to have a lagging takeaway with RFT?
Homer saw a problem with the commonly used "shoulder Turn" (Torso) Takeaway. It causes a rotation in the right forearm. The Right Forearm Wedge becomes misaligned during the Downstroke and a compensation is needed to correct the alignment before the Impact interval.. The compensation is normally the "Flip Release". It can occur early, somewhere in the middle or Late. The Flip release isn't a complete answer to the problem because it causes you to enter the impact interval with a "counter-rotation". Everyone using the Shoulder turn takeaway must also introduce a correction to the misalignment.
Homer prefers the Right Forearm takeaway. Too many advantages to outline.
All of these are good replies,Thanks. This morning while thinking about them, I
watched the video of Tom Tomasello talking about The Pivot. I could be wrong,
but I believe he says to start the backswing with a turn of the right hip. I am going to start a practice session in the morning with this. What do you think?
I have always had trouble starting the swing.
Question: There is also talk about a lagging takeaway (for swingers). Is that different than RFT or is it possible to have a lagging takeaway with RFT?
Not possible - the right forearm moves up and in immediately with the right wrist bent at impact fix amount if starting at impact fix, or right wrist bending if starting at normal address position.
what he said^^ forget about the lagging takeaway up and in immediately and also back but that will take care of itself with extensor, plus 1 to mizunojoe swing starts with the right forearm but pivot should move with it in whatever combination shoulders first or hips first whichever u choose but the main point is that the RIGHT FOREARM is precisely guiding the motion the body simply accomodating it's motion, clearing out of the way and preparing for its fully loaded position for the downswing
put simply the right forearm moves the club but the body has to turn its not an arms only swing otherwise the pivot would be zeroed out
funny that with TGMers the right forearm is obviously the starter of the motion for everyone else who doesnt know tgm it could be anything lol, aren't you glad you have this book!
THE START OF THE SWING IS THE RIGHT FOREARM TAKEAWAY THE RIGHT FOREARM MOVES IN A MANNER THAT LIFTS AND FANS THE CLUBHEAND AND CLUBSHAFT UP IN AND BACK ON THE PLANE SIMULTANEOUSLY. TAKE YOUR RIGHT FOREARM AND MAKE A PUNCHING MOTION, STRAIGHT FORWARD AND BACK WITHOUT A CLUB....NEXT TAKE YOUR RIGHT FOREARM AND FAN IT TO THE RIGHT ROTATING, NEXT TAKE YOUR RIGHT FOREARM AND SIMPLY MOVE IT TO THE RIGHT NOW MIX THESE MOTIONS TOGETHER SIMULTANEOUSLY THIS WILL GIVE U A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW THE RIGHT FOREARM OPERATES TO MOVE THE CLUB WHEN ATTACHED WITH THE LEFT ARM. THE RIGHT FOREARM IS THE CLUBSHAFTS GUIDE IT MOVES THE CLUB PRECISELY UP ON THE PLANE IMMEDIATELY NOTHING ELSE MOVES IT. THE BODY SHOULD ACCOMODATE THIS MOTION LEARNING HOW TO START THE SWING WITH THE RIGHT FOREARM TAKEAWAY IS AN ESSENTIAL SKILL TO BE LEARNED LEARN IT NOW!! OR FOReVER SUCK AT GOLF LOL
REMEMBER THE RIGHT FOREARM SHOULD BE BENT AT ADDRESS WHILE THE LEFT ARM IS STRAIGHT, IN THE BACKSWING THE RIGHT ARM IS ALWAYS BENT THE LEFT ARM IS ALWAYS STRAIGHT, AS THE LEFT ARM IS MOVED ACROSS THE CHEST BY THE RIGHT ARM THE RIGHT ARM INCREASES ITS BEND AS IT MOVES AWAY IN THE DOWNSWING AND FOLLOW THROUGH THE RIGHT ARM IS STRAIGHTENING BUT STILL BENT UNTIL WELL AFTER THE BALL IS GONE SO REMEMBER THE RIGHT ELBOW AND RIGHT FOREARM ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT LEARN TO COORDINATE THEM MANUALLY FOR THE BACKSWING AND PASSIVELY FOR THE DOWNSWING AS A SWINGER
sorry for the all caps but i realized this is an extremely important question you asked
I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH THE IMPORTANCE OF STARTING THE GOLF SWING WITH THE RIGHT FOREARM, WITH ALL THE OPTIONS IN TGM I MUST SAY THIS IS NOT OPTIONAL THE RIGHT FOREARM MUST PRECISELY MOVE THE CLUB TO START THE SWING, THE RIGHT HIP AND SHOULDER MOTION CLEAR OUT OF THE WAY TO ACCOMODATE THIS PRECISE MOTION OTHERWISE THE HIP MIGHT COLLIDE WITH THE RIGHT ELBOW.
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