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Old 07-18-2012, 07:34 AM
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Zach Johnson validates Tom Tomasello's Instruction
Zach Johnson's win on Sunday at the John Deere Classic Validates Tom Tomasello's instruction of the Golfing Machine. Why? Zach's downstroke motion is exactly the same swinging action that Tom Tomasello taught in the Chapter Series of videos on this site. The action is using both Forearms to pull the club down with the lower body responding (hips leading the shoulders)....reference section 6-B-2-0 on page 72 in the 7th edition of The Golfing Machine (muscles of both forearms). Also reference golf instructor Mike Bender's new book "Build the Swing of a Lifetime" Zach Johnson's instructor and Zach's caddie on the bag on Sunday. It's interesting that Mike Bender studied the golf swing with Mac O'Grady another Homer Kelley student.

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Old 07-19-2012, 09:45 AM
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The action is using both Forearms to pull the club down with the lower body following....reference section 6-B-2-0 on page 72 in the 7th edition of The Golfing Machine (muscles of both forearms).



"With the lower body following."

I have to look this up about the lower body following I always thought the lower body leads if it does anything.
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:12 PM
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The action is using both Forearms to pull the club down with the lower body following....reference section 6-B-2-0 on page 72 in the 7th edition of The Golfing Machine (muscles of both forearms).



"With the lower body following."

I have to look this up about the lower body following I always thought the lower body leads if it does anything.
How about we change following to responding!!!

Feel better.

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Old 07-26-2012, 01:05 PM
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"Responding"... I still cannot agree.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:10 PM
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Zach's pivot may be responding to intent, the intent does not appear to be a wrist throw. Additionally, Zach uses alot of lower body action. Looks like he swings that board a long way.

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Old 07-26-2012, 06:42 PM
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Startdown vs. Downstroke (Two different Animals)
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"Responding"... I still cannot agree.
The Left hip responds to the action of the right forearm like Magic!!!

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Old 07-27-2012, 03:29 PM
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TSP left arm Swing
This is simply a Turned Shoulder Plane, left arm Swing in which the right shoulder drives PP#3 through impact, and even though the right forearm is perfectly on the sweetspot plane at impact at 0:37, and on the DS, his shoulder and hip rotation start simultaneously, it is not a right arm swing. .

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Old 08-04-2012, 05:16 PM
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How about we change following to responding!!!

Feel better.

DG


Hey DG How are ya?

Actuation of #2 is not normally done at Top but we've talked about that before I think. The intention to actuate , "Delivery Line uncocking prep" , is formed at Top per 12-3 Section 6 #21. Intentions and actual actuation , firing , triggering being separated by time given any Delay to Release of #2. Leaving the , in the ideal , the Right Shoulder to bring the Power Package Down Plane in Startdown , "the period of Shoulder Acceleration" . 8-7- Section 7.

Thanks for sharing all the great TT material. Here's a small token of my appreciation in reference to "responsive movements"

From "The Golf Swing, The Ernest Jones Method" by Daryn Hammond 1920.



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Chapter X. Recapitulatory

General

The Responsive Movements

It is one of the misfortunes of golf that the correct playing of the shot should make a pretty picture; the observer - and the player as well - is apt to become too much interested in the pretty picture, that is, in effect, and too little interested in the causes of which that effect is merely an expression. In no other game does the statuesque position occur so regularly. In golf it appears at the finish of almost every properly played shot, from the shortest of short approaches to the longest of long drives. The club, the hands and arms, the shoulders, the legs and feet, are all seen in a more or less stereotyped relationship, all in repose, the repose that is the logical result of well-directed effort, the repose that invites the camera or even the sculptor's chisel. There is nothing comparable with this characteristic in, for example, baseball, football, cricket, tennis, or billiards. In those games the vitally interesting thing is the action by which the result is achieved, not the appearance of the performer when the action is being, or has been, made. And this fact doubtless explains to some extent why in golf the action of the average player looks, and indeed is, so much less spontaneous than in other games.

The footballer kicking a football does not know, or think, or care, where his right knee or his left hip will be at any given moment in the operation of kicking. His mind sends a direction to his feet, and his feet obey if he is a good footballer, or disobey if he is a bad footballer. The billiard player is not at all concerned with the position in which he will be found at the finish of his stroke. He is not at any moment in the game an inspiring subject for the photographer, much less for the sculptor. He consequently gets on with the work. The mind directs the fingers and the fingers direct the cue. The elbows, arms, shoulders, body and legs also move; they move, however, not on their own account, but in response to the impetus in the cue set up by the action of the fingers. The person performing Indian club exercises never thinks for one moment about the position of his elbows or his knees. What he does think about all the time is the movement of the club, and the action of the hands and fingers by means of which that movement is produced. He is pre-eminently a creature of action, not a hero of repose, and he is not in the least degree interested in what his appearance may be at the end of any movement or sequence of movements that he may make.

The footballer's mind is directed to the one point of contact - toe and ball; the Indian club performer's mind is directed to the one point of contact - fingers and club; the billiard player's mind is directed to the two points of contact, cue and ball, fingers and cue. And so the golfer's mind should be directed to the two points of contact, club and ball, hands and club.

The golfer's object is to gain command of a golf club just in the same way as the Indian club performer's object is to gain command of an Indian club. True, it is not necessary for the golfer when making his shot to twist his club about as though it were an Indian club. At the same time, the golfer should be able to twist it about in that manner. He should be able to swing the club about in his hands and fingers, freely and fluently in any direction. The pianist learns all sorts of exercises that never come actually into the performance of any piece of pianoforte music. He does so in order to gain command of his fingers. And in the same way, the golfer will do well to make any and every movement with his club that will increase his skill in manipulating it, increase his sense of intimacy with it, his feeling of power over it. When he is swinging the club about in this casual manner, whether with right hand or left hand, or with both hands, he will observe - if it occurs to him to do so - that though he thinks only of communicating movement to the club by means of his hands and fingers, the forearms, the elbow joints, the shoulders, and probably the legs and feet, are also in action - responsive action; responsive in the sense that they move without any specific direction from the mind, but on the impulse created by the action of the hands and fingers in the club. If an attempt were made to swing the club about by using the hands and fingers to the exclusion of the action of other members of the body, that is to say, without the naturally responsive movements, the result would not only be stilted and powerless; it would produce an appreciable strain on the muscles involved.

This is exactly the stilted and powerless movement or series of movements that is known as mistiming the shot. Of the various parts of the body that should act in harmony, some parts act either out of harmony, or not at all. It is good to start the club-head by hand and finger action, but it is useless to do this unless forearms and upper arms and shoulders and hips and legs and feet and head are allowed to follow. Everything must "give" when the call comes - except the grip of the thumb and forefinger of each hand; for with an adequate grip there, control or the club can always be preserved without retarding any responsive movement whatsoever. The responsive movements are just as vital to the proper execution of the shot as the initiatory movements.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:26 PM
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Hey DG How are ya?

Actuation of #2 is not normally done at Top but we've talked about that before I think. The intention to actuate , "Delivery Line uncocking prep" , is formed at Top per 12-3 Section 6 #21. Intentions and actual actuation , firing , triggering being separated by time given any Delay to Release of #2. Leaving the , in the ideal , the Right Shoulder to bring the Power Package Down Plane in Startdown , "the period of Shoulder Acceleration" . 8-7- Section 7.

Thanks for sharing all the great TT material. Here's a small token of my appreciation in reference to "responsive movements"

From "The Golf Swing, The Ernest Jones Method" by Daryn Hammond 1920.





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And Thank god for Homer Kelley who taught us we can start the club down in various ways. Right Forearm, Left Forearm, Right and Left Forearm, Left Wrist, and Right Shoulder.

DG

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Old 08-06-2012, 06:40 PM
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Full Power per Homer and Tomasello
You'll have to ask yourself why does Homer write in the 7th edition that full power is generated through the left and right arms per....the paper trail is 12-5-3, 10-3-D, 10-3-A,B,C. Then go to Tomasello's Power video from the chapter series.

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