hinge actions and timing

I'm having a hard time understanding the hinge action. Given that angled hinging is a feel of no roll, that is, no manipulation with the hands, wouldn't it also produce the most consistent results?

I find that rolling the club in horizontal hinging requires perfect timing in order to hit the ball without producing a wild hook.

Is the main benefit of horizontal hinging that the ball will roll more and go further?

Is there something that i'm just not getting?

Thanks

Hi ml249,

Dual horizontal hinge does't have to be flippy at all. Its signature is a club face that closes, but where the effective loft to the ground stays the same. It doesn't have to be flippy and handsy, as you seem to believe. It can be a much more gradual process that is governed by shoulders and rotation in the upper arms.

You can basically achieve the same results with dual horizontal and angled hinge action, but the way you shape shots will be different.

There is a lot of good info here about the two and the differences, and if you google: "hinge action" in:lynnblakegolf.com I bet you will find a lot of great posts on this topic.

Originally Posted by BerntR

Hi ml249, Dual horizontal hinge does't have to be flippy at all. Its signature is a club face that closes, but where the effective loft to the ground stays the same. .

Another area that would need to be clarified.

Originally Posted by ml249

I'm having a hard time understanding the hinge action.

You , me and almost everybody else.

Lynn once said something to the effect of "its takes about 5 years to fully understand hinge action". You could argue that even some of TGMs greats didnt get it totally correct either.

If you have the book look up the drawings in chapter 2 and see how Horizontal is the ideal for ball compression , distance. Combine that with a good club head path and your game will take off.

Something to consider is that its not done with the hands as you mentioned. It seems like that at first, but it isn't so. Properly executed , Horizontal will not cause a hook.

The only other way I could see a closing only clubface is if I externally rotated my left humerus through impact and i suppose pressure point 3 working inside? This also requires quite a bit of timing.

It doesn't require more timing than any other hinge action. But it requires a different rhythm. The club will hinge by itself if you let it. Dual horizontal is perhaps the least enforced of the hinge actions. The key is the sequencing in the typical swinger's release. #4 - #2 -#3. Let #3 happen. Don't force it and don't try to start it early. And don't drive since driving will disturb #3 release.

Originally Posted by BerntR

The club will hinge by itself if you let it.

BerntR,

I know you 'get' it, and I appreciate this and all your many valuable contributions to our site.

Further, I know I'm being 'picky' here.

But . . .

It is the ENTIRE Left Arm Flying Wedge -- the club AND left arm -- that 'hinges' from the left shoulder.

Not just the club.

Then again, that's the whole point.

We need to stop thinking of the 'club' and start thinking of the Machine and its controlling Structure. Through Impact, the Flat Left Wrist (executing one of its three Basic Feels) unites the Left Arm and Club. In so doing, it controls the Clubface (and its alignment) and the Clubshaft (and its in-line Rhythm with the left arm). And, also, the Clubhead and its in-line 'travel' (through Impact to the end of the Follow-Through / Both Arms Straight position).

Clubhead control -- Force (physics).

Clubface and Clubshaft control -- Alignments (geometry).

Force -- aligned -- becomes efficient.

And that's a good thing.

Point taken, Yoda.

Originally Posted by Yoda

BerntR, I know you 'get' it, and I appreciate this and all your many valuable contributions to our site. Further, I know I'm being 'picky' here. But . . . It is the ENTIRE Left Arm Flying Wedge -- the club AND left arm -- that 'hinges' from the left shoulder. Not just the club. Then again, that's the whole point. We need to stop thinking of the 'club' and start thinking of the Machine and its controlling Structure. Through Impact, the Flat Left Wrist (executing one of its three Basic Feels) unites the Left Arm and Club. In so doing, it controls the Clubface (and its alignment) and the Clubshaft (and its in-line Rhythm with the left arm). And, also, the Clubhead and its in-line 'travel' (through Impact to the end of the Follow-Through / Both Arms Straight position). Clubhead control -- Force (physics). Clubface and Clubshaft control -- Alignments (geometry). Force -- aligned -- becomes efficient. And that's a good thing.

Keeping the machine intact, I was experimenting with my metal dowel and I felt it!

Let me back up. For several weeks I have been " RFT ing" and slowly dropping my back elbow down or rolling my structure down and Tracing the Baseline of the Plane. Yes, I was aware that I might be Swinging but I was confused by the Angle Hinge which was allowing me good power and great control.

Anyway, Etzwane was nice enough to challenge me to think of Arm Movements and not the club face as Hinge determinants. I became aware that I wasn't reallly driving the ball as a Hitter should, but taking a very small baby step or hip thrust and pulling PP # 4 with my front step, or driving # 4 with my hip thrust.

So I was either Swinging or 4 Barreling.

Anyway, I relaxed with my dowel (soft music, candle light, "dobedobedo... exchanging glances... wondering ... what were the chances ...") I tried to get the HIt thrust in my mind and saw Lynn's video where he explains how Mr. Fort switched from Swinging to Hitting. Lynn makes that "take up the slack move," a slight bump, and says you can DRIVE down all the way through...

I imitated Lynn's positions, and bumped and my # 3 PP said "Hello Big-Boy!"

I have played at Hitting for months and did not realize that the #3 PP is dynamically revealed ONLY WHEN WE ARE MOVING!

So the bump loads the # 3 PP and then you drive it out cross-plain down to China!

TO THE RANGE!!!


ICT

well said. best description of dhh.