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Old 03-27-2012, 01:24 AM
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:46 AM
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Things have gone haywire in frame 6 - the club head is too far back away from the target leading to massive throwaway in frame 7. He needs to learn to retain his angle from the top right now before this becomes ingrained!
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:59 AM
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Things have gone haywire in frame 6 - the club head is too far back away from the target leading to massive throwaway in frame 7. He needs to learn to retain his angle from the top right now before this becomes ingrained!
I see the loss in angle, student does a good job of not flipping it from frame 6.

Why do you see this happening, pivot issues, hand path, hand speed?
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:35 PM
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I see the loss in angle, student does a good job of not flipping it from frame 6.

Why do you see this happening, pivot issues, hand path, hand speed?
My guess is over acceleration, but you're right, he still manages to get his hands to the ball before the club head. What would you say?
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:10 PM
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Not sure, honestly I would guess. If he was able to maintain that lag a little more I am sure it would only help power wise and low point control wise as he gets his hands in a pretty good impact alignment.
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Whip,

Lots to like here. Great alignments at Impact and Follow-through, i.e., to the Both Arms Straight position (Section 11).

The student is Hitting (as evident in his Release motion). Therefore, as a next srep on his journey, I would offer him the alternative of the Hitter's Drive Loading procedure (10-19-A) from the Top (per the Hitter's Basic Pattern 12-1-0) instead of his current Drag Loading (10-19-C) which is more compatible with Swinging (12-2-0).

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Old 03-27-2012, 10:30 PM
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Whip,

Lots to like here. Great Impact and Follow-through (to Both Arms Straight) alignments. The student is Hitting (as evident in his Release motion). I would offer him the alternative of the Hitter's Drive Loading procedure (10-19-A) from the Top (per the Hitter's Basic Pattern 12-1-0) instead of his current Drag Loading (10-19-C) which is more compatible with Swinging (per 12-2-0).

Thanks for posting!

Since he goes to the End, rather than stopping at the Top, I just assumed he was Swinging. Hitting would explain his hands moving away from his right shoulder and relative lack of hip action. Larry Nelson is the only other Hitter I have seen who goes to the End.
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Old 03-28-2012, 01:12 PM
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I think equally capable of hitting or swinging. The iPhone camera Is what makes the shaft look bowed and releasing sooner than it really is, it's not really like that. Distance is not an issue he hits a 7 iron 200 yds, he says he doesn't want to hit. Mizunojoe things are hardly going haywire anywhere here, this is a very good golf swing.
It's not the bowing I was refering to, but rather the loss of wristcock starting in frame 6. Perhaps "haywire" wasn't the right word, but he has serious throwaway IF he is actually Swinging. The problem is that the max wristcock contribution to total clubhead speed is attained very shortly after the onset of release, and so the clubhead is slowing too much at impact relative to what it could otherwise be. This can be somewhat mitigated by a very strong pivot through impact, but why throw away speed potential?
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Old 03-28-2012, 02:32 PM
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his ballspeed is WAAAY up there average drive 330 plus, i'm not really too concerned about it being a snap release, i think random sweep is just fine. the speed after release doesn't slow down to impact it maintains the speed. the left wrist is uncocking downplane just because it is not a snap release doesnt mean he isn't swinging or getting plenty of speed if not maximum, theres a trade off velocity/thrust, trigger delay/handspeed.
whip, in the sequence above, is he Swinging or Hitting? If it's a throwaway Swing as it looks like to me, I'd bet that shot didn't carry 200 yds, even if it's a 3 or 4 iron.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:31 PM
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His posture looks good there Whip, nice job.

Do you think if you fixed his arch he could get to Top and have more #2 angle , more lag loading. He sort of looks like he's doing a lot of lifting to "get to parallel" in position golf speak. Leading to excess arm/ hand travel.... what some guys call "run off". The arms running away from the pivot a bit.

How long has he been playing? Is he a natural? Looks like it. If so his bad alignments , loss of EA in the third Station etc will be easy to fix as nothing is really ingrained as of yet. Old dogs , like me , we're way harder to retrain.
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