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Old 06-24-2011, 10:41 AM
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Drive loading + lag feel on pressure points
Hey guys, I am having trouble feeling the lag pressure in the downstroke. At the moment I am focusing on swinging (or thrusting) my arms thru impact, I am getting clean contacts from time to time but I don't think I have educated my hands to have the lag feeling yet.

According to 7-19 one of the ways to establish clubhead lag is "By resisting the backstroke motion for Drive Loading". Does that mean I have to hip slide just before the backswing is finished - while the arms are still lifting up?

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Old 06-24-2011, 01:53 PM
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Hey guys, I am having trouble feeling the lag pressure in the downstroke. At the moment I am focusing on swinging (or thrusting) my arms thru impact, I am getting clean contacts from time to time but I don't think I have educated my hands to have the lag feeling yet.

According to 7-19 one of the ways to establish clubhead lag is "By resisting the backstroke motion for Drive Loading". Does that mean I have to hip slide just before the backswing is finished - while the arms are still lifting up?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 06-24-2011, 02:00 PM
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I am a hitter, I used to swing but not anymore, my left arm is totally passive now. I thrust my right arm/forearm into the aiming point from the top after hip slide (to drop shoulder/elbows down plane first unless that is incorrect?).

I can't think of another way to feel the clubhead lag "By resisting the backstroke motion for Drive Loading" besides starting the hip slide early which will bring my shoulders/elbow DOWN while my arms go up towards the very end of my backswing.
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Old 06-24-2011, 01:59 PM
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"While the arms are still lifting up". I find it hard to go in two directions at the same time unless my arms are sort of floating up via momentum at that point in the backswing. The lifting action of the bending right elbow has subsided and the hands are traveling via momentum , slowing down. The Slide takes out the slack , stops the backwards travel of the arms as opposed to a hard stop with the arms.

Since your talking Drive Loading you should ideally stop at Top , which will feel very short and require very little actual right elbow lifting. Its a small , short lift. (id guess at 18" or so for example , but Homer wouldnt like that . " Why not 17" or 21" ? " , He'd say. But just to give you a rough idea of how small "small" is Ill use that. Since you're a Hitter you could say until your Right Elbow bends to your desired degree of bend. That would be more correct. ) Its a weird concept but it is a truly short "lift" even though the hands actual travel is longer. Same goes for the pivot too but thats another topic. The swing just isnt as big as it first appears when you break it all down.

As far as lag goes start with little short chips first with just right hand attached. Since your Hitting , freeze the right hand in its impact fix degree of bend, the shaft pointing at your left shoulder, the imaginary ball back in your stance , get your right forearm on plane with the shaft , your weight left so you can raise your right foot off the ground if you were asked to. Yes thats very left. Now with this precision impact alignment of the right forearm and right hand, take it back and forth two feet in both directions without stopping and without a hitting a ball. Keep it all together , move it as a unit. See the photo accompanying The Bat Basic Stroke in the book. Notice how there is ideally a Top and an End position , but ideally no adjustment for or anticipation of Impact. BAck and forth , back and forth. Steady and smooth. Then start from your Impact Fix address and do the same for singular swings. You now have Three Stations: Address, Top, Finish with no adjustment for Impact. Impact is not a Station.

During each of these steps try to feel the lag pressure collect against the Lag Pressure Point on the downswing. Try to sustain the lag pressure , keep it at a singular P.S.I. which will require some acceleration but a very gradual , smooth sort. Going too fast will see the p.s.i. spike but then subside quickly before you reach the ball. A very bad thing.

Then try hitting balls with just your right hand attached. Notice how if you maintain the lag pressure , think about the lag pressure the sweet spot finds the ball. Notice how if the Right Hand loses its ideal degree of bend or breaks down the sweet impact is lost. Notice how the structure of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge provides some serious resistance to the ball at impact. Like a battering ram. Notice how a flimsy Right Hand has no structure. Notice how good shots coincide with the existence of Lag Pressure. Steady , smooth Lag Pressure. All your bad shots will have a corresponding lack of Lag Pressure.

Then try it with two hands.

Then try it for longer shots. Build , build , build.

Then seek this juice or nectar out for the rest of your golfing life.

The number three pressure point attaches to the top of the Sweetspot Plane. That feeling of Lag Pressure in your Hands is the feeling of the Sweetspot not just the clubhead. The sweetspot (given an on plane swing and enough momentum) seeks out , points at a line on the ground , if you direct that line through the ball........you will find the sweet nectar of golf.

It is illusive ......... you'll always be tempted to speed it up more and more. When you have that feeling of the club flying ahead of your hands , when your swinging faster than you want too , you're dealing with Throwaway. Your clubface will point here and there as your left hand breaks down. Your compensations for this will be unkown to you and make their detection and correction difficult. If you get lost go back to the beginning: little chips and then build it up piece by piece.

If you're good until you put both hands on the club research independent Arm and Body/Pivot Motion, the inert Left Arm, the Downswing Sequence of 6-M-1.

Ah its never ending topic of discussion this one. Im still trying to figure out why it leaves me sometimes.

P.S. Since your Drive Loading ....the Pressure Point doesnt Rotate. See 6-H-0. Meaning you Load the Lag Pressure point at the Index Finger. Classic 12-1-0 style. Three Barrel Hitting. No Drag Loading in Startdown which would load the knuckle. See the LBG hit movie "Pressure Point #3 , where are you?".

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Old 06-24-2011, 02:11 PM
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Thank you for the detail explanation OB, I will give that drill a try, I think once I get the LAG feeling for the 1st time properly it should be a lot easier! by the way do I pre-clear my right hips with that drill as well? and I am not sure my grip is correct, can an incorrect grip causes you to not feel any lag at all? ( i am TRYING to use a strong single action grip, i might upload some pictures later)

the following is my sequence for hitting, is there anything wrong with this? (besides not feeling the lag )

1. impact fix / right forearm on plane
2. square stance/square clubface
3. right forearm take away on plane / hip clears automatically
4. bring to hitter's top position (around shoulder height)
5. hip slide/bump and drop shoulder/elbow on plane
6. thrust my FLW/BRW/right forearm across to the aiming point, down forward and out
7. still learning to finish swivel

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Old 06-24-2011, 02:33 PM
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I am no expert, but I have chased after stating the hips down while the arms are going back, with baaaaad results. Would mess up mortal men IMO.

I think folks that do it are not consciously doing it if that makes sense. Kinda like Sergio type super duper lag - can't consciously make that happen.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:11 AM
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So long as there is Lag Pressure it will be sensed by the sections of your hands attached to the aft of the shaft (aft of the direction in which the club is traveling). It is inertia to the change in directions. It isnt just the #3 pp really. As long as you change directions it will be there , however briefly. Trying to sustain it through the ball is "golfs secret".

Watch Ben Crenshaw putt for a while and imagine what that would feel like in his right hand. When Tiger asked him for putting help in 1997 he described much the same sort of feel. He "gathered it up" or some such thing. Dont have my golf books with me right now.

Start small and build. Id guess that a guy that cant feel Lag is taking a mad swipe at it , with thoughts of other things.......with tons of throwaway, over acceleration. I could be very wrong though. See it , feel it...... like you are tossing bean bags. Good golf reduces to this I think. Its that simple. Bean bag into the center hole.

Lag PRESSURE. PRESSURE. It in the hands and it attaches to the Sweetspot Plane........ thankfully. Homer's insight and gift to golfers. Some know it only intellectually , some good young golfers know it only in their feels but dont comprehend it........some lucky fellas know it in both manners. Dont bet against the guys who feel it. They've traded "one day wonders" for the feel in their hands.

Learned mechanically, played via feel. The translation of mechanics to feel is golfs curriculum. The feel is the direction of the Lag Pressure , the sweetspot , along the Arc of Approach, through the ball and all the way down and out to both arms straight. As if the ball wasnt really there. It just got in the way.

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Thanks OB. Your post gave me some ideas about my waggle. As a curiosity, I experimented with the correct "question mark," "thumbs to the sides of the shaft" grip. As I loosely bent my right wrist and checked my flat left wrist, I felt my right elbow move down toward my right side and my left heel tugged up a bit. But instead of flipping my right wrist back and practicing dreaded"throwaway," I slowly drove my right elbow and forearm intesifying lag pressure on pp# 3. With that feeling on pp#3 being fresh " in my hands, I slightly led the lag on pp #3 down driving my right hip, intensifying lag on pp #3 and lowering my front heel all while my wedges ride the face of the plane loaded with ever increasing lag. I do this waggle to both arm straight twice and then I do it with the ball in the way. It is so cool.


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LMD.

So long as there is Lag Pressure it will be sensed by the sections of your hands attached to the aft of the shaft (aft of the direction in which the club is traveling). It is inertia to the change in directions. It isnt just the #3 pp really. As long as you change directions it will be there , however briefly. Trying to sustain it through the ball is "golfs secret".

Watch Ben Crenshaw putt for a while and imagine what that would feel like in his right hand. When Tiger asked him for putting help in 1997 he described much the same sort of feel. He "gathered it up" or some such thing. Dont have my golf books with me right now.

Start small and build. Id guess that a guy that cant feel Lag is taking a mad swipe at it , with thoughts of other things.......with tons of throwaway, over acceleration. I could be very wrong though. See it , feel it...... like you are tossing bean bags. Good golf reduces to this I think. Its that simple. Bean bag into the center hole.

Lag PRESSURE. PRESSURE. It in the hands and it attaches to the Sweetspot Plane........ thankfully. Homer's insight and gift to golfers. Some know it only intellectually , some good young golfers know it only in their feels but dont comprehend it........some lucky fellas know it in both manners. Dont bet against the guys who feel it. They've traded "one day wonders" for the feel in their hands.

Learned mechanically, played via feel. The translation of mechanics to feel is golfs curriculum. The feel is the direction of the Lag Pressure , the sweetspot , along the Arc of Approach, through the ball and all the way down and out to both arms straight. As if the ball wasnt really there. It just got in the way.
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Old 07-02-2011, 06:27 AM
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LMD have you learned to hit your chips and pitches yet? Learning this from the Top is a road to hours of searching for feelings that need to be educated from shorter motions. If you cannot sense lag, its more likely you have yet to grasp what the hands can feel. The guys above are giving you v good advice.
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Ob's response is pure gold! I waggle until I feel the synching up of the Lag, back elbow
" weight" or tension, and a hip slide. Slow and powerfully up and down the face of the Plane which is formed by the Proper construction of the Flying. Wedges with the Right Forearm on Plane. Then I let the ball get in the way.

Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
"While the arms are still lifting up". I find it hard to go in two diections at the same time unless my arms are sort of floating up via momentum at that point in the backswing. The lifting action of the bending right elbow has subsided and the hands are traveling via momentum , slowing down. The Slide takes out the slack , stops the backwards travel of the arms as opposed to a hard stop with the arms.

Since your talking Drive Loading you should ideally stop at Top , which will feel very short and require very little actual right elbow lifting. Its a small , short lift. (id guess at 18" or so for example , but Homer wouldnt like that . " Why not 17" or 21" ? " , He'd say. But just to give you a rough idea of how small "small" is Ill use that. Since you're a Hitter you could say until your Right Elbow bends to your desired degree of bend. That would be more correct. ) Its a weird concept but it is a truly short "lift" even though the hands actual travel is longer. Same goes for the pivot too but thats another topic. The swing just isnt as big as it first appears when you break it all down.

As far as lag goes start with little short chips first with just right hand attached. Since your Hitting , freeze the right hand in its impact fix degree of bend, the shaft pointing at your left shoulder, the imaginary ball back in your stance , get your right forearm on plane with the shaft , your weight left so you can raise your right foot off the ground if you were asked to. Yes thats very left. Now with this precision impact alignment of the right forearm and right hand, take it back and forth two feet in both directions without stopping and without a hitting a ball. Keep it all together , move it as a unit. See the photo accompanying The Bat Basic Stroke in the book. Notice how there is ideally a Top and an End position , but ideally no adjustment for or anticipation of Impact. BAck and forth , back and forth. Steady and smooth. Then start from your Impact Fix address and do the same for singular swings. You now have Three Stations: Address, Top, Finish with no adjustment for Impact. Impact is not a Station.

During each of these steps try to feel the lag pressure collect against the Lag Pressure Point on the downswing. Try to sustain the lag pressure , keep it at a singular P.S.I. which will require some acceleration but a very gradual , smooth sort. Going too fast will see the p.s.i. spike but then subside quickly before you reach the ball. A very bad thing.

Then try hitting balls with just your right hand attached. Notice how if you maintain the lag pressure , think about the lag pressure the sweet spot finds the ball. Notice how if the Right Hand loses its ideal degree of bend or breaks down the sweet impact is lost. Notice how the structure of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge provides some serious resistance to the ball at impact. Like a battering ram. Notice how a flimsy Right Hand has no structure. Notice how good shots coincide with the existence of Lag Pressure. Steady , smooth Lag Pressure. All your bad shots will have a corresponding lack of Lag Pressure.

Then try it with two hands.

Then try it for longer shots. Build , build , build.

Then seek this juice or nectar out for the rest of your golfing life.

The number three pressure point attaches to the top of the Sweetspot Plane. That feeling of Lag Pressure in your Hands is the feeling of the Sweetspot not just the clubhead. The sweetspot (given an on plane swing and enough momentum) seeks out , points at a line on the ground , if you direct that line through the ball........you will find the sweet nectar of golf.

It is illusive ......... you'll always be tempted to speed it up more and more. When you have that feeling of the club flying ahead of your hands , when your swinging faster than you want too , you're dealing with Throwaway. Your clubface will point here and there as your left hand breaks down. Your compensations for this will be unkown to you and make their detection and correction difficult. If you get lost go back to the beginning: little chips and then build it up piece by piece.

If you're good until you put both hands on the club research independent Arm and Body/Pivot Motion, the inert Left Arm, the Downswing Sequence of 6-M-1.

Ah its never ending topic of discussion this one. Im still trying to figure out why it leaves me sometimes.




P.S. Since your Drive Loading ....the Pressure Point doesnt Rotate. See 6-H-0. Meaning you Load the Lag Pressure point at the Index Finger. Classic 12-1-0 style. Three Barrel Hitting. No Drag Loading in Startdown which would load the knuckle. See the LBG hit movie "Pressure Point #3 , where are you?".
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