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Old 12-22-2010, 03:09 PM
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All the above is equally true for putting
From 6-B-3-0 (4th paragraph):

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All the above is equally true for Putting. That is, the Swinger can use a "Reverse Loft" Putter for a precision "Low Point" Impact - really a very accurate and simple procedure.
Lots of questions here:
  1. "Above" is the description of the third power accumulator. What is the relevance of acc. #3 for putting if one is to zero out #3 in putting?
  2. What is a "Reverse Loft" Putter? Holding the putter face like in the second drawing of 2-C-4-A? Or
    is that a special kind of putter?
  3. Why can only the swinger use a "Reverse Loft" Putter?
  4. The second sentence quoted above seems to draw a conclusion from the first. Can anyone explain the reasoning behind that in more detail? What does swinging with a reverse loft putter have to do with the #3 accumulator?



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Old 12-23-2010, 12:18 AM
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The #3 Accumulator, Rhythm and Negative Loft Putting
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All the above is equally true for Putting. That is, the Swinger can use a "Reverse Loft" Putter for a precision "Low Point" Impact - really a very accurate and simple procedure. (6-B-3-0).

Lots of questions here: [Questions are listed below and answered in blue.]
  1. "Above" is the description of the third power accumulator. What is the relevance of acc. #3 for putting if one is to zero out #3 in putting?

    With or without its "angle", the principal role of the #3 Accumulator is to maintain the essential in-line relationship of the Left Arm and Club (Primary Lever Assembly) and its Rhythm per the selected Hinge Action. This is just as true with Putting as it is with any other Stroke.

  2. What is a "Reverse Loft" Putter? Holding the putter face like in the second drawing of 2-C-4-A? Or
    is that a special kind of putter?

    It is a putter with a true negative loft. I was able to buy one years ago through one of 'discount' catalogs and still have it. Don't know if they're still being manufactured.

  3. Why can only the swinger use a "Reverse Loft" Putter?

    Homer is referring here to the True Swinger, i.e., one who, by definition, is totally dependent upon Centrifugal Force to align the Clubface and Clubshaft through Impact. Therefore, only the true loft of the club is available, and the Ball Placement must agree with the Straightaway position built into every unique Club. In contrast, the Flat Left Wrist player -- Swinger or Hitter -- can manually override those alignments. Thus, he is able to create 'negative loft' (especially in a low-lofted Club such as a Putter) simply by increasing Shaft lean, and in addition, produce a straightaway Ball Flight from any Ball Location.

    The True Swinger, then, cannot manipulate the Clubface into a negative loft situation. Therefore, if he wants to (1) reproduce the precision Low Point alignments of Sketches 2-C-1 #1/#2/#3 and (2) the 'above center' Impact of 2-C-4-A, he has no alternative but to use a negative loft putter. The Hitter or Flat Left Wrist Swinger may use a negative loft putter, but per the above explanation, does not have to.

  4. The second sentence quoted above seems to draw a conclusion from the first. Can anyone explain the reasoning behind that in more detail? What does swinging with a reverse loft putter have to do with the #3 accumulator?

    I think I just did!

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Old 12-23-2010, 12:45 AM
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Well, that makes perfect sense. HK assumes the reader has been with him all along doing the research. You've got to have inside knowledge to explain the "Reverse Loft" sentence. I've been thinking about that for many years and I've never been as satisfied with an answer as that.

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Old 12-23-2010, 01:19 AM
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Manipulated Hands Swinging
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Well, that makes perfect sense. HK assumes the reader has been with him all along doing the research. You've got to have inside knowledge to explain the "Reverse Loft" sentence. I've been thinking about that for many years and I've never been as satisfied with an answer as that.

Muchas gracias.
I had the great benefit of Homer's own guidance in this question. That is why I actually bought the 'negative loft' putter and was able to correctly demonstrate its use to the students of my golf schools in the early 80s.

Absent my first-hand knowledge that he was referring to the True Swinger, the key is found when he states the alternative procedure to the negative loft putter: "Else manipulate the Clubface per 7-2".

That paragraph (7-2 / Grip Types) details the key alignments and relationships that must be established at Fix in order to establish a Vertical Left Wrist at Impact (versus Low Point). These include the in-line Left Arm and Club, the Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist, the Right Forearm, Pressure Points, Ball Location, Plane Line, Knee Bend and Waist Bend.

Note that all the "Clubface manipulation" of the Manipulated Hands Swinger (as opposed to the True Swinger) is done at Fix (Section Two of the Stroke) and long before the Clubhead leaves the back of the Ball in Start Up (Section Four of the Stroke).

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Old 12-23-2010, 05:48 AM
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Wow, what a great answer. That has really helped me a lot. One more question to follow up:

Should the Flat Left Wrist Swinger with zero accumulator #3 turn the left wrist on the backstroke and roll it on the downstroke or would that be a wrist action that should be avoided in putting? My idea is that as long as you have zero acc. # 3 and do not cock the left wrist on the backstroke a simple turn and roll of the left wrist would not qualify as wrist action at all.
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Hinge Action As a Substitute For Wrist Action
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Wow, what a great answer. That has really helped me a lot. One more question to follow up:

Should the Flat Left Wrist Swinger with zero accumulator #3 turn the left wrist on the backstroke and roll it on the downstroke or would that be a wrist action that should be avoided in putting? My idea is that as long as you have zero acc. # 3 and do not cock the left wrist on the backstroke a simple turn and roll of the left wrist would not qualify as wrist action at all.
With or without Wristcock, when a selected Hinge Action (Component #10) is used as a substitute for Wrist Action (Component #18 ), it becomes the 18th Component as well. In Putting (and other Strokes without additional Turning, Rolling or Cocking), this is termed Zero Wrist Action (10-18-G). In procedures involving Wristcock, it is termed Single Wrist Action (10-18-C).

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