Hand speed is limiting...so we are told

We have been told that swing speed is limited by a persons hand speed. I question this conclusion as it appears contra to experimental evidence. I have a Medicus swing speed meter. The type that clemps to the shaft just below the grip. I have measured my swing speed both with this meter and with other measuring devices over the years. My swing speed, driver, is 100-105 and I can get a max of around 110. I get the same speeds with the Medicus meter on my driver. I have "experimented" but not found how to increase this speed. I am big and reasonably strong (6' 2" 225#). The club speed seems to be limited by how much effort is available, it gets very heavy at max speed. NOW the conundrum. I put the Medicus meter on a 1/2 shaft just below the grip and I can swing to a speed indication at the meter limit, 149 mph with a reasonable effort and speeds well over 125 MPH with ease.

The question is simple.

What's the reason?

The Bear Asks

Originally Posted by HungryBear

We have been told that swing speed is limited by a persons hand speed. I question this conclusion as it appears contra to experimental evidence. I have a Medicus swing speed meter. The type that clemps to the shaft just below the grip. I have measured my swing speed both with this meter and with other measuring devices over the years. My swing speed, driver, is 100-105 and I can get a max of around 110. I get the same speeds with the Medicus meter on my driver. I have "experimented" but not found how to increase this speed. I am big and reasonably strong (6' 2" 225#). The club speed seems to be limited by how much effort is available, it gets very heavy at max speed. NOW the conundrum. I put the Medicus meter on a 1/2 shaft just below the grip and I can swing to a speed indication at the meter limit, 149 mph with a reasonable effort and speeds well over 125 MPH with ease. The question is simple. What's the reason? The Bear Asks

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2-K GENERATION OF ANGULAR MOTION Angular Motion is the result of at least two divergent forces. Such as, -A. Centripetal Force (the Lever Assemblies 6-A) diverting Linear Force (Right Arm Thrust 6-B-1) into a rotating motion (Hitting 10-19-A). Or – B. Turning its axis (the Body 2-M-4) to spin a flywheel – the Lever Assemblies (Swinging 10-19-C). Rotation induces a Throw-Out action, pulling the centers of gravity of every movable component, In-Line and On Plane with its axis or center, whether or not they were originally In-Line or On Plane. With a short radius it can accelerate easily, and quickly acquire considerable Angular Velocity. If a portion of this mass moves to a longer radius, the slowing effect (6-C-2-B) must be computed on the basis of the total mass AS LONG AS THE PORTION IS BEING PROPELLED BY THE TOTAL. That is – the slowdown would be in the same ratio that the portion has to the whole – the original central mass. This “Transfer of Momentum” process (10-19-C) eliminates Release Deceleration (6-F-0) but not Impact Deceleration (2-M-1). This Throw-Out action is termed herein as “Centrifugal Acceleration” to indicate that Centrifugal Force (Centrifugal Reaction), not muscle, is propelling the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Golf Club) into Impact. So Swingers are totally dependent on their skill at manipulating Centrifugal Force while Hitters are not. But study 4-D, 6-B-3-0, 6-R-0 and 7-2.

Most of the above concerns "Transfer of Momentum". HK isolates T-O-M from ones "ability to manipulate CF" in order to conceptualize the effects of T-O-M. But T-O-M isn't your primary problem but it is a part of the answer to your question.

Another part of the answer is the proper manipulation of CF.

When you swing the 1/2 shaft (no clubhead?), the Sweet-spot Plane and Swing Plane are one and the same but when you put a club in your hands, they aren't. In your case (like most everyone) the Sweet-spot Plane of your Club, during the Downstroke, is not on the Swing-plane. So, you are pushing or pulling the Clubshaft and not the Sweet-spot, therefore, CF is being avoided and Clubhead speed is mostly a factor of your muscular effort or ability in applying it.

If you want to be a "Closet Hitter", then no problem. Simply learn to use your right triceps muscle. But if you would prefer to remain a swinger, then you'll need to get the Sweet-spot on-plane and allow CF to have its effect.

I'm assuming that you understand the Sweet-spot Plane and how to manipulate it onto the Swing-plane before release. If not, then say so and I'll give you a timely, albeit vapid response (but with pictures ).

Originally Posted by Daryl

Most of the above concerns "Transfer of Momentum". HK isolates T-O-M from ones "ability to manipulate CF" in order to conceptualize the effects of T-O-M. But T-O-M isn't your primary problem but it is a part of the answer to your question. Another part of the answer is the proper manipulation of CF. When you swing the 1/2 shaft (no clubhead?), the Sweet-spot Plane and Swing Plane are one and the same but when you put a club in your hands, they aren't. In your case (like most everyone) the Sweet-spot Plane of your Club, during the Downstroke, is not on the Swing-plane. So, you are pushing or pulling the Clubshaft and not the Sweet-spot, therefore, CF is being avoided and Clubhead speed is mostly a factor of your muscular effort or ability in applying it. If you want to be a "Closet Hitter", then no problem. Simply learn to use your right triceps muscle. But if you would prefer to remain a swinger, then you'll need to get the Sweet-spot on-plane and allow CF to have its effect. I'm assuming that you understand the Sweet-spot Plane and how to manipulate it onto the Swing-plane before release. If not, then say so and I'll give you a timely, albeit vapid response (but with pictures ).

Thanks Daryl-
I can be "either" - not realy a "closet hitter" because when I do I mean to.
The Sweet spot - In my opinion we tend to make a bigger deal of this than necessary but it is EXTREMELY important for swinging.
First- when swinging- I pull the shaft down plane with #3pp on top of shaft. Sweet spot is on plane with shaft. At release, #3 pp stays on top as #2 acc. starts release. (feel #2 and can manipulate if desired-to ADD velocity)right forearm is starting slapping,(elbow more in front) starting at release and continues. roll to vertical left. still cocked above level. #3pp roll to rear of shaft. Sweet spot stays on plane but shaft goes below plane. sweet spot holds face horizontal and #3 acc which is LAFW is rotating around left shoulder at the rate available from all energy added and #2 accumulator release is a big determinant.
Second- when hitting. The club is pushed by #1 pp. The left wrist is FLAT on plane until release. At release BOTH #2 and #3 accumulators come active. The main element is the right forearm starts to fan and punch, #1pp pressure high (a little further back near my hip) at the plane line. Down plane.
Either motion left flat right bent.
Left reaches level at low point. so either motion left is "very slightly" cocked at impact.
Swinging there is a slight bend in left wrist prior to release BECAUSE the sweet spot is on plane and the left arm points below plane. Left wrist stays verticle hitting because #2 and #3 work together and cf is not in play (not much).
A real club gets heavy. Inertia that can not be overcome. At least from where I apply the most force. I feel there must be places to add more energy. like between top and release but I do not know the mechanics required. I think I just have a very light club with the 1/2 shaft so I get to move it faster through impact, but my arms are Much, Much heavier than the club?

Added- re: sweet spot- a wood esp. the newer ones with the cg set back- the cg is no longer in line with the shaft when laid on the plane. I do believe that the location of the sweet spot is in memory not physics. we can hit the ball with the hossel or toe by remembering face location relative to shaft. (that statement should get me in trouble)

Thanks
The Bear