Managing Throwaway

Guys and Gals,

After watching the Big Boys practice basic and acquired motion at the PGA, we discussed how they manage "throwaway" in the short game to hit those fancy lobs and spinners...

Coming off of the chip yips, fixed with Mr. Kelley's imperatives and fundamentals, I feel my chipping has improved 1000%. One of the reasons it has improved so much, is that frozen flat left wrist and frozen bent right wrist. Now to hit it higher I cheat and go to a 62� wedge. I think I would be scared to death to even attempt managing throwaway with a "pause" type stroke right now...

What do you TGM'ers do?

Thanks,
Kevin

Originally Posted by KevCarter

Guys and Gals, After watching the Big Boys practice basic and acquired motion at the PGA, we discussed how they manage "throwaway" in the short game to hit those fancy lobs and spinners... Coming off of the chip yips, fixed with Mr. Kelley's imperatives and fundamentals, I feel my chipping has improved 1000%. One of the reasons it has improved so much, is that frozen flat left wrist and frozen bent right wrist. Now to hit it higher I cheat and go to a 62� wedge. I think I would be scared to death to even attempt managing throwaway with a "pause" type stroke right now... What do you TGM'ers do? Thanks, Kevin

"What do TGM'er do?" Hmm? We play golf like everyone else. Well, except for the Secret Handshake and Hand Signals, oh and the special knowledge within the inner circle that's sworn to secrecy, punishable by banishment if anyone tells (Sorry Kevin, ya need 1450 posts to be considered).

What are "Yips"?

It's pretty hard to have the Yips or throwaway with Hip Action and a little right triceps thrust to move the power Package through the Impact Zone.

Originally Posted by Daryl

"What do TGM'er do?" Hmm? We play golf like everyone else. Well, except for the Secret Handshake and Hand Signals, oh and the special knowledge within the inner circle that's sworn to secrecy, punishable by banishment if anyone tells (Sorry Kevin, ya need 1450 posts to be considered). What are "Yips"? It's pretty hard to have the Yips or throwaway with Hip Action and a little right triceps thrust to move the power Package through the Impact Zone.

Did you just give me one of the hand signals?

Just kidding, thanks for the reinforcement Daryl, your help is always appreciated. I agree with your last sentence 100%.

Kevin

One thing.

Open stance line and Square Plane line. When you take your stance in an open to the Target Line and turn to the right to Square the shoulders, two things are often overlooked. Ball Position and Hip Turn.

1. Check Ball Position and make sure that your head is still centered between your feet.
   
2. Hip Turn includes Knee Bend. When your Hips are turned to the right, you knees must bend and turn also. Especially the Left Knee must bend and Turn. This little point will allow you to acquire and use a Little Hip Action on even the very shortest of strokes. If you simply twist your body to the right to square your shoulders you won't have the connection for hip action. Remember....in TGM...the Knees respond to the needs of Hip Turn.

So, with your Head centered and your hands at Impact Location, the Ball will be to the Right of your head in order for the ball to be behind Low-Point. Set-up is important to allow the components to function properly through the range of the stroke.

Originally Posted by Daryl

One thing. Open stance line and Square Plane line. When you take your stance in an open to the Target Line and turn to the right to Square the shoulders, two things are often overlooked. Ball Position and Hip Turn. Check Ball Position and make sure that your head is still centered between your feet. Hip Turn includes Knee Bend. When your Hips are turned to the right, you knees must bend and turn also. Especially the Left Knee must bend and Turn. This little point will allow you to acquire and use a Little Hip Action on even the very shortest of strokes. If you simply twist your body to the right to square your shoulders you won't have the connection for hip action. Remember....in TGM...the Knees respond to the needs of Hip Turn. So, with your Head centered and your hands at Impact Location, the Ball will be to the Right of your head in order for the ball to be behind Low-Point. Set-up is important to allow the components to function properly through the range of the stroke.

Another AWESOME post. Thanks Daryl!

Kevin

Originally Posted by KevCarter

Guys and Gals, After watching the Big Boys practice basic and acquired motion at the PGA, we discussed how they manage "throwaway" in the short game to hit those fancy lobs and spinners... Coming off of the chip yips, fixed with Mr. Kelley's imperatives and fundamentals, I feel my chipping has improved 1000%. One of the reasons it has improved so much, is that frozen flat left wrist and frozen bent right wrist. Now to hit it higher I cheat and go to a 62� wedge. I think I would be scared to death to even attempt managing throwaway with a "pause" type stroke right now... What do you TGM'ers do? Thanks, Kevin

Mr Kelley, I think, would want you to find your own best method Kev. The more axe handle method that sees you going to both arms straight accomplishes much the same thing as the Pause Stroke. Maybe a little less intentional wobble , a little more sweet spot feeling as there isnt quite as much lay back but not that different. Especially if you open up the face really wide.

But if in your journey from swinger to hitter to what ever, you want to go back to a more rope handle method (you dont necessarily need to leave active thrusting, hitting to achieve rope handle to my mind) then by all means, explore the lagging, sweeping intentional throwaway flop shots. It might just be a way towards mastering Lag, the secret to good golf.

Im thinking that often a TGM'r will learn the impact alignments in a more wooden manner but then graduate to a more free flowing stroke, hitting or swinging. The free flow being a natural Lag producer that reproduces the impact alignments he or she learned previously. But of course Homer would say there is no one way or one journey. To each his own. Arnie was King after all.

Either way you have to load the lag, on either the back or top of the shaft and then sustain it, direct it through the shot. This is what its all about and if accomplished.......... yipped throwaway is impossible as it is the opposite of Lag.

Originally Posted by O.B.Left

Mr Kelley, I think, would want you to find your own best method Kev. The more axe handle method that sees you going to both arms straight accomplishes much the same thing as the Pause Stroke. Maybe a little less intentional wobble , a little more sweet spot feeling as there isnt quite as much lay back but not that different. Especially if you open up the face really wide. But if in your journey from swinger to hitter to what ever, you want to go back to a more rope handle method (you dont necessarily need to leave active thrusting, hitting to achieve rope handle to my mind) by all means, explore the lagging, sweeping intentional throwaway flop shots. Managing throwaway is what its all about as Lag is the secret to good golf. Im thinking that often a TGM'r will learn the impact alignments in a more wooden manner but then sometimes maybe graduate to a more free flowing stroke, hitting or swinging. The free flow being a natural Lag producer that reproduces the impact alignments he or she learned previously. But of course Homer would say there is no one way or one journey. To each his own. Arnie was King after all.

Thanks very much for that OB. There is NO best! I'll stick with what makes me feel all warm and fuzzy for awhile. Maybe later when I get some of that confidence back I will experiment. Nice to know I have you guys here to help sort things out!



Kevin

Originally Posted by KevCarter

Thanks very much for that OB. There is NO best! I'll stick with what makes me feel all warm and fuzzy for awhile. Maybe later when I get some of that confidence back I will experiment. Nice to know I have you guys here to help sort things out! Kevin

Armed with what you and I now know courtesy of Yoda, though we may occasionally stumble......we will never Yip our chips in the manner we once did.

If the good Lord's willing.

Ive been thinking about 10-3-J Pause a bit.

Diane in the photo is employing Horizontal Hinging and as such her left wrist stays flat as the left hand and arm "pause" at the ball and the clubhead scoots past the hands early. So Id say this technically isnt throwaway as the left wrist is flat.

The pros often Vertical Hinge it however. Im thinking that here the left hand or arm "pauses" but the clubhead scoots past a bending left wrist. Intentional throwaway, with a maxing out of layback being the recipe for high, soft landing flops. You'll often see them choke way down on the shaft to shorten the radius and lessen the send. They'll bend the plane line way to the left of course with the clubface opened wide and pointing at the hole.

When you try it out the key is to pause the left side as allowing the left arm to separate off the chest will give you a more driving shot with less layback. I like to hit a bunch of balls alternating between pause and blast off, pause and blast off. Flop and drive. When you pause it, the rope like left wrist becomes the center of the clubs rotation and there is a real swing like feeling to it as you are now swinging the clubhead instead of the hands.

How Homer a 15 handicap, identified all of this cause and effect is beyond comprehension. Homer identified the geometry of the pure strike, maximum compression and in so doing also identified the effects of intentionally altering that geometry. The tools of the trade for the shot maker.

After all the work I did on getting to both arms straight with a flat left wrist, I never would have gotten around to trying this type of shot again. Id have left it as flippy wristed kid stuff if werent for................Mr Lynn Blake.

Originally Posted by O.B.Left

Ive been thinking about 10-3-J Pause a bit. Diane in the photo is employing Horizontal Hinging and as such her left wrist stays flat as the left hand and arm "pause" at the ball and the clubhead scoots past the hands early. So Id say this technically isnt throwaway as the left wrist is flat. The pros often Vertical Hinge it however. Im thinking that here the left hand or arm "pauses" but the clubhead scoots past a bending left wrist. Intentional throwaway, with a maxing out of layback being the recipe for high, soft landing flops. You'll often see them choke way down on the shaft too shorten the radius and lessen the send. When you try it out the key is to pause the left side, allowing the left arm to separate off the chest will give you a more driving shot with less layback. I like to hit a bunch of balls alternating between pause and blast off, pause and blast off. Flop and drive. When you pause it, the rope like left wrist becomes the center of the clubs rotation and there is a really swing like feeling to it as you are now swinging the clubhead instead of the hands. How Homer a 15 handicap, identified all of this cause and effect is beyond comprehension.

Great post OB, and it makes PERFECT sense. It just sounds like a recipe for disaster for me right now!

BamBam must have been monitoring this post, and added the perfect example of the "pause" component. I think this displays it perfectly using a model we can all understand.



Kevin