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Old 01-18-2009, 01:16 AM
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Keeping the right forearm on-plane
Seeing that Yoda has banned me from participating in other forums on this website, I couldn't comment on this statement by Kevin Carter in another thread.

He stated with regards to Brian Gay's swing-: "I have never seen a player keep his right forearm in such a solid on plane condition for the entire motion as Brian does. It looks so freaking simple!"

First of all, what does he mean when he states that the right forearm is on-plane during the entire motion?

Secondly, what are the major factors that affect the orientation of the right forearm to the inclined plane during the downswing?

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Old 01-18-2009, 10:26 AM
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Seeing that Yoda has banned me from participating in other forums on this website, I couldn't comment on this statement by Kevin Carter in another thread.

He stated with regards to Brian Gay's swing-: "I have never seen a player keep his right forearm in such a solid on plane condition for the entire motion as Brian does. It looks so freaking simple!"

First of all, what does he mean when he states that the right forearm is on-plane during the entire motion?

Secondly, what are the major factors that affect the orientation of the right forearm to the inclined plane during the downswing?

Jeff.
Jeff,

Please keep in mind that I am a complete TGM beginner. I have been around the game and teaching for 30 years, but I am beginning a new journey that I am very excited about. I LOVE TGM, but ANYTHING I say has to be taken as a statement from a beginner. I am here to learn.

What I meant was that Mr. Gay starts with his right elbow exactly in line with the shaft at address. Something he and YODA are (were) working very hard on. This is discussed in the premium video on this site that I am currently enjoying very much.

"On plane during the entire motion" may have been a mis-statement, I'm not sure. Hope I didn't lead anyone the wrong direction!

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Old 01-18-2009, 12:33 PM
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When you state that Brian Gay's right forearm is on-plane at address, I think that you are only looking at a golfer who uses little plane shift and who swings along a plane that is just below the turned shoulder plane. That will mean that his right forearm will lie along that plane angle if he keeps his arms "straightish" at address.

However, that doesn't mean that swinging like Brian Gay is desirable or better than alternative choices.

For example, here is a swing video of Stuart Appleby.



He has a double plane shift swing - from the elbow plane to the turned shoulder plane in the backswing and vica versa in the downswing.

You will notice that his right elbow stays close to the elbow plane line during his entire backswing, but the right forearm moves off it during the later backswing. I think that the right forearm must always move off-plane during the backswing so that the right forearm flying wedge can end up being at a near-right angle to the left arm flying wedge at the end-backswing - like a strut supporting an airplane wing.

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Old 01-18-2009, 01:04 PM
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When you state that Brian Gay's right forearm is on-plane at address, I think that you are only looking at a golfer who uses little plane shift and who swings along a plane that is just below the turned shoulder plane. That will mean that his right forearm will lie along that plane angle if he keeps his arms "straightish" at address.

However, that doesn't mean that swinging like Brian Gay is desirable or better than alternative choices.

For example, here is a swing video of Stuart Appleby.

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Jeff,

Thank you, I appreciate you trying to help. Of course there is more than one way, that is the entire premise of The Golfing Machine. However...

Yoda has shown me through this video of Brian Gay a very valid way to set up and swing. He has documented areas in the yellow book to back it up. He has real world experience from thousands of lessons, displays it in action, and you can watch it in action at the highest level on TV. It is one thing to show fancy graphs and 3D images, and use words that only biomechanics understand, it is another to see it work in the real world. I believe in The Golfing Machine, I want to be what some doubters on other forums would call a "book literalist." My goal is to someday attend AI classes and attempt to pass the tests.

The way Brian Gay is setting up with his right forearm is going to be an option in what I teach, as will a double plane shift as Applebees swing is a wonderful model as well. I also like S&T, there are many valid options available that Homer Kelley would approve of.

I have chosen my course and that's where I am going to continue heading.

Thanks again,
Kevin
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Old 01-18-2009, 01:20 PM
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I think that you may have misunderstood the primary intent behind my statement when I stated-: "However, that doesn't mean that swinging like Brian Gay is desirable or better than alternative choices."

You highlighted in bold the first section of that sentence regarding "desirability". It was my mistake to phrase the statement in that manner because it gives readers the incorrect impression that I do not think it is desirable - which wasn't my intention. I mainly wanted to state that it is not necessarily more-or-less desirable than swings that have slightly more plane shift - like Stuart Appleby's swing. Brian Gay has a wonderful swing that is very TGM-sound, as is Stuart Appleby's swing. I think that the question as to whether an individual golfer should chose the Brian Gay model or the Stuart Appleby model is significantly dependent on body physique and biomechanical predispositions (strengths and weaknesses).

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Old 01-18-2009, 01:29 PM
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I think that you may have misunderstood the primary intent behind my statement when I stated-: "However, that doesn't mean that swinging like Brian Gay is desirable or better than alternative choices."

You highlighted in bold the first section of that sentence regarding "desirability". It was my mistake to phrase the statement in that manner because it gives readers the incorrect impression that I do not think it is desirable - which wasn't my intention. I mainly wanted to state that it is not necessarily more-or-less desirable than swings that have slightly more plane shift - like Stuart Appleby's swing. Brian Gay has a wonderful swing that is very TGM-sound, as is Stuart Appleby's swing. I think that the question as to whether an individual golfer should chose the Brian Gay model or the Stuart Appleby model is significantly dependent on body physique and biomechanical predispositions (strengths and weaknesses).

Jeff.
Jeff,

Thank you very much for clearing that up for me! I did take your statement the wrong way. Jeff Evans, another TGM teacher who I respect immensely, is trying to teach me how to set up with my right forearm positioned like Mr. Gay. My old fat body won't quite allow it. Maybe when I lose 100 pounds!

I agree 100%, a valid option, but just that, an option. I like the way YODA says it in the video, you can certainly set up without your right forearm on plane, but why would you want to?

Thanks man,
Kevin
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