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Old 12-18-2008, 11:55 AM
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Since studying TGM, I have increasingly become convinced that a golfer should either be a swinger or a hitter, and not a switter? Do you think that I am wrong and that I am being too narrow-minded in my thinking? Can anyone provide a rational argument for consciously choosing to become a switter, and explain how one synchronously combines left arm pull power with right arm push power?

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Old 12-18-2008, 12:36 PM
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Jeff, your first instinct is correct. Go put your car in neutral and try to push it and pull it at the same time. It's one or the other. Most golfers have a feel of pushing or pulling and each type of motion has components that must be matched up to work properly.
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Old 12-18-2008, 07:23 PM
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Pardon my ignorance, but I do not recall Homer using the term.

All kidding aside, I have posted many times before on this subject and I feel it necessary to get back up on the stump to voice my opinion.

QUIT TRYING TO PURELY HIT OR SWING!!!!!

The "pull" in the golf swing is from the body's rotation, the "push" is from right arm thrust. Why not rotate the body and add some right arm thrust when needed for more power? I believe Homer said that no matter how the lever assembly is moved it always moves in a circle.

Homer also stated that the same pattern is rarely used more than once in a golfer's lifetime so why try to copy it everytime. Use the book to make YOUR stroke better. Sometimes you have to swing and sometimes you have to hit.

Once I quit trying to make a "pure swing" and just work on compression, the results became pretty good.
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:36 PM
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Great post Golfgnome.

I feel the same way of late and am relieved to read this. Does this necessarily mean it is four barrel?

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Old 12-18-2008, 10:05 PM
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You wrote-: "The "pull" in the golf swing is from the body's rotation, the "push" is from right arm thrust. Why not rotate the body and add some right arm thrust when needed for more power? I believe Homer said that no matter how the lever assembly is moved it always moves in a circle."

Could you please expand on your point of view? How does one know when one needs right arm power if one is essentially a swinger, and how does one actually add that right arm thrust? Could you detail the entire process starting with the downstroke's pivot action and describe when/how one actually adds right arm thrust power in a synchronised and efficient manner?

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Old 12-18-2008, 10:30 PM
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You wrote-: "The "pull" in the golf swing is from the body's rotation, the "push" is from right arm thrust. Why not rotate the body and add some right arm thrust when needed for more power? I believe Homer said that no matter how the lever assembly is moved it always moves in a circle."

Could you please expand on your point of view? How does one know when one needs right arm power if one is essentially a swinger, and how does one actually add that right arm thrust? Could you detail the entire process starting with the downstroke's pivot action and describe when/how one actually adds right arm thrust power in a synchronised and efficient manner?

Jeff.
I just happen to be watching the original "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" and at the opening of the movie all of the children are in the candy store and one of the children asks the candyman a question to which he replied, "do you ask a fish how it swims? Do you ask a bird how it flys? No, they do because they were meant to do."

Anyway, adding right arm thrust is as simple as straightening the right arm down plane. If you were to throw a ball at the ball, wouldn't you be adding right arm thrust? When a pitcher delivers a baseball to the catcher isn't his pivot preceeding his arm thrust? In order throw a ball you first had to learn the components then practice them until you could hit the target. Golf is much the same way. Don't be obsessed with "swinging or hitting". Be obsessed with compressing the ball in order to make it go where you want it to go.

Detailing the process? You better go talk to the fish and the birds.
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Old 12-21-2008, 04:21 AM
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Since studying TGM, I have increasingly become convinced that a golfer should either be a swinger or a hitter, and not a switter? Do you think that I am wrong and that I am being too narrow-minded in my thinking? Can anyone provide a rational argument for consciously choosing to become a switter, and explain how one synchronously combines left arm pull power with right arm push power?

Jeff.
It's ideal geometrically and physically for the "machine" to pull the club from the top, which optimizes the clubhead speed at impact, and push (the grip, or pp#3, to bend the shaft) at impact, which optimizes the ball speed at separation.

Both arms and hands can pull, and both arms and hands are needed to push (or bend the shaft against the clubhead and impact).

So, you can pull it fast (without running out of the right arm fold and right wrist bent) and set it up for a pushing-hard. Boom, you'll feel the ball jumps hard and see it goes far.

Good luck!
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Old 12-21-2008, 12:19 PM
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You wrote-: "It's ideal geometrically and physically for the "machine" to pull the club from the top, which optimizes the clubhead speed at impact, and push (the grip, or pp#3, to bend the shaft) at impact, which optimizes the ball speed at separation".

This is the key point that needs debating. You are implying that a swinger needs to pull the club down to impact to generate clubhead speed. I agree.

However, you then argue that an additional push force is needed to push against PP#3 to stress the shaft at impact, thereby optimizing ball speed at separation. That's where I think that you are mistaken.

Ball speed is only a product of clubhead mass and clubhead speed at impact, and any additional pressure-force/weight pushing against the shaft at impact will not help increase ball speed. My reason for believing that fact is based on this myth-busting argument.

http://nmgolfscience.tripod.com/collisions.htm

The only factors that affect ball speed are i) clubhead mass, ii) clubhead velocity; iii) ball mass; and iv) CER.

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Old 12-21-2008, 05:12 PM
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I'll contribute to this argument. As a teacher I do not believe in switting. The player will have a dominate tendancy through impact. They will either feel more push or pull. If they feel more push they are hitting. I also agree with Jeff Hull the alignment of the machine is what's important. No matter if the player is hitting or swinging they must have their flying wedges in tact tracing a straight plane line with a hinge action that produces the desired shot.

What BTS describes is hitting.

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