Yoda- In Mr. Kelley's notes on Bobby Clampett's follow-through he mentioned the relationship between the length of shoulder turn and how far the hands must travel before both arms become straight. Can you help me understand his meaning when he mentions reducing the shoulder turn so the hands can be automatically stopped at any selected point. I know this concept has been mentioned before but I am still not geeting it. My experimentations have left me even more puzzled.
Thank you,
Eric
Eric,
Not Yoda but, if you turn to page 117 in the 6th Edition reference 8-11 in this regard. Note that it mentions that the straight arm position is dictated by the location of the right shoulder at impact. View this by moving the right shoulder at different locations down plane. Also view this by referencing the photo that represents 8-11. If you have everything as shown and you keep both arms straight and you move the right shoulder back and going up, note the location of the follow-through.
Hope this helps.
By the way, this is the same procedure that is used in 12-5-1 for a putting stroke to adjust the length of stroke for follow-through.
Eric,
Randy's response is correct and should help you see how the amount of Right Shoulder Turn through Impact governs the length of the Follow-Through. If it's still not clear, let us know and we'll try again.
Golfingrandy/Yoda- Thank you for your help. Please let me know if this procedure makes sense.
1. Determine the length of follow-through needed
2. Note location of right shoulder
3. Don't allow the right shoulder to move beyond this location.
Is this what Mr. Kelley meant when he said to lock the shoulder?
Thank you again,
Eric
Remember, this is the Impact position (and alignment) of the Right Shoulder. When the Pivot Motion is Partial or Full, the Shoulder will move Downplane into Impact and should remain On Plane until at least the end of the Follow-Through (8-11). When the Pivot Motion is Zero or minimal, e.g., on Putts, short Chips and Pitch Shots, the Shoulder can be "pre-positioned" -- where did Homer say "locked?" -- at this Impact location and this alignment be maintained to the end of the Follow-Through.
Yoda- Sorry about the "locked". I'm not sure where that came from after reviewing my notes. Let's say I have a very short putt. At Impact Fix I position my right shoulder in a way that will allow my hands to stop at a preselected point. I must move to 'both arms straight' to meet the requirements of the Follow-Through. I notice that the lower the right shoulder is the further my hands must move before both arms become straight. At Impact Fix (for a short putt, etc.) I notice that my posture becomes more and more upright; more upright posture=higher right shoulder=less right arm=shorter travel distance for the hands. Am I anywhere close?
Thank you again for your help,
Eric
You get the concept now. However, remember that a Putt is just another golf shot, and ideally you should establish your posture, Head position, and other Impact alignments according to the routine in 2-J-1. This especially includes the Left Shoulder-to-Ball Radius as fully extended by Extensor Action (6-B-1-D). Therefore, though the Left Shoulder will be proportionately lower as the Right Shoulder is raised -- and vice versa -- your overall posture should not be noticeably affected.
If you use PURE swinging...the clubhead will be forward of the hands at the follow-though.
So...isn't any pattern with the club 'up' the left arm well past the ball a pattern that includes some hitting?
The pure Swing by definition uses Dual Horizontal Hinging (10-10-D) with its longer Clubhead Travel and pure Rhythm (2-G) of the #3 Accumulator (6-B-3-0). Hence, the Club must pass the Hands (via the Flat and Rolling Left Wrist) sooner than with either Angled or Vertical Hinging.
That said, a Right Shoulder that has been kept well down and On Plane (per 7-13) in its Turn through the Ball -- an alignment that can be deliberately established at Impact Fix (8-2) by pre-positioning the Shoulders with the Club at the desired limit point -- permits a longer Follow-Through Interval. In other words, the farther the Shoulder turns after Impact, the farther the Hands must travel before both Arms become straight for their Follow-Through Alignments. In such an instance, the Hands could be well past the ball, with the Clubshaft in line with the Left Forearm, and the player still be executing an unhampered #3 Accumulator roll of the Dual Horizontal Hinge.
Also, a Swinger whose Grip features a Turned Left Hand on the Club (10-2-D or 10-2-F) must necessarily extend further through the Ball before the Clubhead passes the Hands, regardless of the Hinge Action employed.
Finally, the Swinger who is deliberately executing the Angled or Vertical Hinge Action could find the Clubshaft aligned with the Left Arm well into the Follow-Through. And this would be particularly evident with an abbreviated Finish, i.e., where the Follow-Through (8-7) is the Finish. However, should either of these Hinge Actions be employed, "pure" Swinging no longer exists because "pure" Swinging can, by definition, use only the Horizontal Hinge Action of Centrifugal Force to align the Clubface. Therefore, no manual override is possible (without violating the definition). Nevertheless, it remains a Swinging Action, not a Hitting Action.
This may have been covered, but how long is the flat left wrist held for in the stroke, and or the bent right wrist? Obviously beyond impact, but to the end of the follow through (or can it start to collapse then), or some time after follow through, or never? If held to at least the end of the follow through, is this why you need a pronounced swivel?
Also, is the finish part of the stroke (in terms of the arms etc) a mirror image of the backswing - ie bent left wrist, flat right wrist, or is it, as I saw stated elsewhere (by Yoda on the other Golfing Machine forum I think) a reassembly of the flying wedges with straight left wrist and bent right wrist (that feels super weird to me at the end of my swing!!!!)
Sorry for all the questions, but this one is bugging me a bit!
ChrisNZ
ChrisNZ,
The Left Wrist remains Flat through Impact, through the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight / 8-11) through the Flat and Swiveling-Back-On Plane Flat Left Wrist -- I know that is an "extra" Flat but I can't help myself and neither could Homer! -- until the Club flashes around the Hands. The Right Wrist loses its Bend as the Left Wrist completes its Hinge Action and Swivels back onto the Plane. Then, and only then, does the Flat Left Wrist Bend -- as the Right Wrist Flattens against the Plane -- and that Bend quickly returns to Flat as the really good players restore their Finish alignments.
The Finish is a mirror image only with Pure Swingers using the Standard Left Wrist Action (10-18-A). Here the Left Wrist is actually turned On Plane in the Backstroke and Swiveled from Release into Impact on the Downstroke.
With Hitters, the Swivel from the Follow-Through into the Finish is the same as with Swingers. However, since they use Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-2), their Backstrokes and Downstrokes (especially from Release) will be markedly different.
Also, Swingers utilizing Single Wrist Action Variation 10-18-C-1 (Horizontal Hinge Motion to the On Plane Top) will not have the Swivel from Release into Impact of the "Pure" Swinger. Instead, they will feel the long, slow Swivel of the Horizontal Hinge Motion from the Top to the Finish per 2-G.,
This may have been covered, but how long is the flat left wrist held for in the stroke, and or the bent right wrist? Obviously beyond impact, but to the end of the follow through (or can it start to collapse then), or some time after follow through, or never? If held to at least the end of the follow through, is this why you need a pronounced swivel?
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