The right forearm is on plane when? Please answer this question it will clear up alot of fog.
Originally Posted by jaminid
The right forearm flying wedge always has its own plane. The right forearm is on plane from release to follow-through and preferably at fix to startup as well.
RCW,
Jaminid's answer is on the money. And because the Hands -- specifically the #3 Pressure Point -- are always On Plane, then when the Right Elbow is On Plane, the Right Forearm is also On Plane.
In an extensive discussion of this point, Homer stated that he found no benefit in attempting to keep the Right Forearm On Plane except as Jaminid has described, i.e., during the Address Routine and Start Up and during the Release Interval (through Impact to Follow-Through). The guiding principles are:
1. At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3).
2. At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm.
3. Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
"If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad."
-- Homer Kelley
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 04-26-2006 at 03:00 PM.
No, Hans. A Swinger can only Turn his Left Wrist to the Top. That is probably what you meant, but I answer in this specific way because I do not understand the nature or context of your question.
6b1d is asking if a swinger can use single wrist action(cock only), rather than standard wrist action(cock and turn). The answer is yes. See 10-6-D.
Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) is most compatible with Swinging and its Sequenced Release (4-D-0). As it goes back, so it tends to come down, and the Left Wrist Start Up Swivel (Turn and Cock) is the ideal prelude to its Downstroke Release Swivel (Uncock and Roll).
Similarly, Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-2) is most compatible with Hitting and its Simultaneous Release (4-D-0). Here, the Turning of the Body and and the orbiting of the Left Arm causes the Left Wrist to gradually Turn (from Start Up to the Top) and then gradually Roll (from Start Down to Impact). The Bending and Straightening of the Right Elbow causes the Wrist to gradually Cock and Uncock during this Motion.
That said, with the exception of the True Swinger's Double Action (10-18-B), the Left Wrist Action Variations (10-18 ) are equally available to both Hitters and Swingers (albeit with vary degrees of compatibility). And both will find Zero Wrist Action effective for certain Short Shot procedures.
One final important point: At the Top, Swingers using Standard Wrist Action and Hitters using Single Wrist Action reach the identical On Plane Left Wrist Alignment. They just have different ways of getting there. Said another way, for a given Impact Geometry, both Hitters and Swingers have Identical Flying Wedge Assemblies (6-B-3-0-1). Each will maintain the 90-degree relationship of the Left Arm Wedge and Right Forearm Wedge within their respective Assemblies during the Backstroke. This is true even though the different Left Wrist Actions produce different Alignments with respect to the Inclined Plane. At the Top, however, the Flying Wedge Assemblies of both Hitter and Swinger will be identically aligned to the Plane.
From Duffer to Tour Player, I see many failures to establish and maintain the ideal Flying Wedge Alignments. So, look, look LOOK to make sure you've got it right. Because if you don't, a Compensated Stroke is inevitable.
I feel like I have a Nicklaus "flying elbow" is this the correct motion for a hitter???
The Flying Wedge alignments (6-B-3-0-1) are identical for both Hitters and Swingers and are established at Impact Fix (8-2) . After Assembly -- usually no later than the end of Start Up (8-4), they must be maintained to the end of the Follow Through (8-11).
Ball Location will affect the amount of Right Wrist Bend at Fix. The further Forward the Ball is located in the Stance, the more Right Wrist Bend (4-A-2) and the further Back, the less. It is that Bend that determines the precise Right Forearm alignment with the Left Arm Flying Wedge. And it is this alignment, in conjunction with the selected Plane Angle, that determines how much the Right Elbow will appear to "Fly" at the Top (8-6).
At startup the left arm wedge doesn't really feel like a wedge until the left wrist cocks a little, correct?
Not exactly. The grip is held in the Heel of the left hand, not the Cup. This gives you #3 accumulator angle at address. This is the angle between your left forearm and clubshaft. If the grip was held (incorrectly) in the Cup of your left hand, everything would be in a straight line and there would be no Wedge to speak of yet.
The requirements for the Left Arm Flying Wedge are satisfied as long as the Left Arm, the back of the Left Hand and the Clubshaft all lie in the same plane (the plane of the Left Wrist Cock Motion). This is true even when the #3 Accumulator is zeroed-out, i.e., when the Club is Gripped in the Cup of the Left Hand or, assuming the Grip is taken with Club under the heel of the Left Hand, when the Left Wrist is Fully Uncocked and the Primary Lever Assembly (the Left Arm and Club) is in Full Extension.
In other words, there doesn't have to be a 'wedge' shape (of the Left Arm and Club) in order to have a Left Arm Flying Wedge.
At follow through, the left arm fyling wedge stays as it was at impact?
From Left Shoulder to Clubface, the Left Arm Flying Wedge remains in its own
Plane...the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock Motion. Through the Impact Interval
to the end of the Follow-Through, its degree of Roll -- the Sweet Spot
seeking to maintain its in-line condition with the Left Forearm -- is
determined by the Hinge Action employed and its Rhythm:
Horizontal Hinging -- Full Roll (Feels like 'Roll');
Angled Hinging -- Half Roll (Feels like 'No Roll'); or
Vertical Hinging -- No Roll (Feels like 'Reverse Roll').
So your forearms touch on the follow through ? That would be another way both
could be flat.
I don't see how both wrist holding the same shaft can be flat with a
conventional grip (palms facing each other). I just tried it with my trusty
dowel that now lives by the computer. You can reach a point where both are
only slighty bent, but as soon as you make one dead flat, the other one
bends.
When the Left Wrist is Flat -- whether Cocked, Uncocked
or Level -- and the Right Wrist is Bent and Level
-- no matter where Vertical, Turned or Rolled, that
would be...
What does "Flying Wedges" mean and how do I incorporate it into my
swing?
The "Flying Wedges" Assembly is the relationship of the left and
right arm at the point in the swing when you achieve a Flat Left Wrist and
Bent Right Wrist and the Right Forearm is positioned at right angles to the
left arm plane.
You incorporate it by going to the Flat Left, Bent Right Wrist conditions
during the backswing and maintaining that alignment until after the ball is
gone, at which point you will transition to the both arms straight position.
If you have a copy of The Golfing Machine, look at the "Three
Zones" photos on pages 124 - 127. You can easily see the Flying Wedges
Assembly in a number of photos, including 9-2-5 #2, 9-2-9 and 9-2-10 #2.
Excellent post, rwh, and very helpful visual references as well.
For clarification, note that the Flying Wedge alignments are maintained at
least to the end of the Follow-Through -- the Both Arms Straight
position. In other words, even though the Right Arm has straightened, the
Right Wrist remains Bent.
Ideally, the alignments are intact in ten of the Twelve Sections of the
Stroke (Chapter , the only exceptions being Sections One and Three
(Preliminary and Adjusted Address per 6-B-3-0-1).
If the left shoulder were the center, wouldn't a more forward ball position
require LESS right wrist bend, not more?
No.
In order to preserve the 90 degree relationship of the Left and Right Arms in
the Flying Wedges Assembly, the Right Wrist is more Bent with the Ball
Location forward and less Bent with it aft.
In a strict TGM view of the left shoulder/club - you could have throw away
(out of line with the left arm)at any time after separation, but what I
am saying is that you must sustain it LONGER, because the maximum extension
of the force you have created does not, and can not, occur until both arms
straight.
This is absolute drivel. Hear The Truth:
"So -- except in [Preliminary and Adjusted Address] the entire Left Arm,
the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the
same flat plane -- the plane of the Left Wristcock motion (6-B-3-0-1}."
"Take all Strokes to the Both Arms Straight Position (6-H-0-C)."
, the only exceptions being Sections One and Three
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