Firstly, thank you to Lynn, 6BMike and all the admin at the site for the wonderful videos of late, these are incredible instruction. Watching the excellent ruready2roll video got me thinking about the left arm wedge, and that thinking led to fog!
Lynn talks about see the line, uncocking on the line, and rolling on the line. For a swinger I imagine you could include dragging on the line (I seem to remember an old post about the 3 stage rocket - drag, uncock, roll). Also for a swinger, you'll have swiveled the left palm against the plane. So, assuming a sequenced release, for the dragging and uncocking part, won't the whole left arm wedge be directed at the plane line? But then isn't the left arm never on plane (it can’t be because the left shoulder isn’t on plane)? Or to put it another way, won’t there have to be (dare I say it!) a bend in the left wrist to allow onplane uncocking?
I get the angle down the line at address, but once the left arm swivels 90 degrees, if the left arm wedge was maintained perfectly, wouldn't the club cock up in line with the left arm? If my left wrist is flat, and I cock the club up it goes towards my left shoulder. If I rotate my arm and keep my left wrist flat shouldn't it still go towards my left shoulder? But it doesn't, it goes towards my (turned) right shoulder. Or at least it should! So how is the integrity of the left arm wedge maintained? Same problem coming down if you uncock before rolling.
To put it another way, how does the left wrist cock not cause the club to get above plane, unless the whole left arm is lying on the plane (which it is obviously not)?
I get the angle down the line at address, but once the left arm swivels 90 degrees, if the left arm wedge was maintained perfectly, wouldn't the club cock up in line with the left arm? If my left wrist is flat, and I cock the club up it goes towards my left shoulder. If I rotate my arm and keep my left wrist flat shouldn't it still go towards my left shoulder? But it doesn't, it goes towards my (turned) right shoulder. Or at least it should! So how is the integrity of the left arm wedge maintained? Same problem coming down if you uncock before rolling.
To put it another way, how does the left wrist cock not cause the club to get above plane, unless the whole left arm is lying on the plane (which it is obviously not)?
Thanks,
Chris
Remember this, it will simplify everything for you.
As long as your Left Wrist is Flat, you have mainted the integrity of your Left Arm Flying Wedge! That's it!
I believe there seems to be a misconception that the Left Hand should be Turned 'On Plane' for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). I haven't got the book with me, but I don't think Homer ever mentions Turning the Left Hand On Plane. All he says is that it should be Turned.
Another one I hear a lot is that the Left Hand should be rotated a quater turn / 90 degrees. I don't think Homer ever says that either.
How much should the Left Wrist Turn (for the Swinger)? Anyone got an answer
I believe there seems to be a misconception that the Left Hand should be Turned 'On Plane' for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). I haven't got the book with me, but I don't think Homer ever mentions Turning the Left Hand On Plane. All he says is that it should be Turned.
Another one I hear a lot is that the Left Hand should be rotated a quater turn / 90 degrees. I don't think Homer ever says that either.
How much should the Left Wrist Turn (for the Swinger)? Anyone got an answer
You turn the left wrist just enough to get the leading edge of the club parallel to the plane line at the top.
Remember this, it will simplify everything for you.
As long as your Left Wrist is Flat, you have mainted the integrity of your Left Arm Flying Wedge! That's it!
Tong, thaks for simplifying this...as someone that can be way to obesessed with swing thoughts and swing positions I like trying to keep things simple. I have spent much time looking at my backswing position at the "top" and for me the simplest thought is to verify that I use "impact hands" at address and keep the flat left wrist (FLW) and bent right wrist "vertical" throughout the backstroke, through impact, and all the way through the follow through.
My only backstroke thought now that I got from someone else on this forum a month or two back is to be able to "spear the fishy" from the top...if I could do this then I know that I am in an ideal position for the downstroke.
Tong, thaks for simplifying this...as someone that can be way to obesessed with swing thoughts and swing positions I like trying to keep things simple. I have spent much time looking at my backswing position at the "top" and for me the simplest thought is to verify that I use "impact hands" at address and keep the flat left wrist (FLW) and bent right wrist "vertical" throughout the backstroke, through impact, and all the way through the follow through.
My only backstroke thought now that I got from someone else on this forum a month or two back is to be able to "spear the fishy" from the top...if I could do this then I know that I am in an ideal position for the downstroke.
Keith
Keith:
Don't forget about the Level Right Wrist which is equally important as the Flat Left Wrist -- together, they give you your precision Flying Wedges Assembly -- the real Gateway to Golfing perfection!
* If the left wrist is flat the club must cock directly towards the left shoulder and uncock away from the left shoulder.
* In an onplane swing, on the turned shoulder plane, after turning, the club cocks back towards the right shoulder, or where the right shoulder will be after it has turned back to plane. Or, in other words, the wrist cock occurs on plane.
* The only way the club could cock towards both the left and right shoulders would be if the left and right shoulder were both on plane (possible with a rotated shoulder plane?)
It seems to me (and I'm happy to be corrected on this!) that you need a small bend in your left wrist to cock towards the right shoulder unless the left shoulder is also on plane.
I believe there seems to be a misconception that the Left Hand should be Turned 'On Plane' for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). I haven't got the book with me, but I don't think Homer ever mentions Turning the Left Hand On Plane. All he says is that it should be Turned.
Another one I hear a lot is that the Left Hand should be rotated a quater turn / 90 degrees. I don't think Homer ever says that either.
How much should the Left Wrist Turn (for the Swinger)? Anyone got an answer
Per 4-C-2:
"When Turned...the left palm faces directly toward that [selected] Plane."
Per 10-11-0-3:
The quarter turn rotation you mention refers not to the Left Hand, but to the Right Hand and its #3 Pressure Point (meaty part of the right forefinger). And that does not refer to an actual rotation of the Hand, but merely the rotation of the pressure point pressure (from the back to the top of the Clubshaft) during an End Backstroke.
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